Timeoff2fish

The Q and A from the union says the following:

"Q12: How are reserve pilots treated in the agreement?

A: All 757 and 767 pilots are in a single pool. A 767 reserve pilot will be compensated the wide-body pay rate. A 757 pilot will be compensated the narrow-body rate unless he operates a trip with a 767 flight, in which case he will be compensated the wide-body pay rate for that entire trip."

"Q15: I understand reserve 757 and 767 pilots are a single pool? How will reserve pilots bid and be leveled?

A: Each bid pack will contain their own reserve bid lines. However, when the bid month begins, all 757 and 767 pilots will be in a common pool for assignment purposes. Leveling will occur has it always has based on Section 25.M. of the CBA. If a 757 pilot operates a 767 trip, he will receive the wide body pay rate for that trip."


If I am a 757 FO and have a 68 hour RLG, and all I fly in a given month is a single 6 hr 757 hub turn trip (right!) I get paid for 68 hours, not 68 plus 6 hours. I am leveled for six hours.

If I fly a single 6 hour 767 trip, is the above stating that I would get paid 62 hours of 757 pay, 6 hours of 767 pay, and be leveled for 6 hours of 767 time?

It seems a bit fuzzy. You really don't get paid for a single minute of a reserve assignment above RLG unless you exceed RLG, which is a pretty rare event.

The Walrus

At the hub turn meeting earlier this week they briefed that you would get paid your 68 hrs at nb pay, then the following mid month check would include 6 hrs of the difference between your normal nb pay and what would be your wb pay for your longevity. They didn't want to call it an override, but said that it would be treated as such.

Doogs

It would be nice if the LOA actually said that, instead of hearing that is the MEC's *interpretation* of the LOA.

4A2B

It does, could not be more clear. Look in section E example 2, it says "will be paid". Could they have gone into further detail that the pay is going to come on the following 15th, sure but that is the only way to get the pay in our system. The 15th handles all adjustments from the previous month, up or down.

TonyC

I agree that it seems fuzzy -- that's because it's not explicit. One thing we've all shouted loud and clear in Negotiating Committee Surveys and polls, etc., is that we want clear, unambiguous language that can't be used against us later. We're sick and tired of having to go to The Company's website to look for the picture of the scales to find the results of the grievance that are used to interpret some paragraph in a way contrary to what we thought the clear language meant.

I would interpret the LOA to mean you get "62 hours of 757 pay, 6 hours of 767 pay, and be leveled for 6 hours of reserve." You don't get leveled for either specific airplane since they're in the same reserve pool.


I hope that's correct.



It could be more clear with an example like Timeoff2fish just presented.

That reminds me, ... EXAMPLES, APPLICATION NOTES ... It looks like we've found a way to get rid of "Intent Language" by calling it something else.






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Doogs

I think that we need a term for a B757 pilot being paid the wide body rate – "wide body differential", or some such. Then you get even clearer language, such as, "A narrow body pilot who blocks out on a flight segment in a wide body aircraft, shall earn wide body differential for the trip containing that flight segment."

Rock

Polished turd?

TonyC

The "B757 pilot being paid the wide body rate" is actually a new form of B-767 pilot who gets B-757 pay most of the time. He's not a B-757 pilot who gets paid more, he's a B-767 pilot who gets paid less.


He's a Purple B-Scaler.






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Doogs

I guess that's one way to achieve a single pay rate. Everybody is a wide body pilot, except those who sometimes/usually get less.

Gunter

Didn't see the sarcasm emoticon. I can only assume you are serious.

For a man who carefully chooses his words you've really stepped on it this time.