Excess Bid?
04-09-2013, 10:48 PM
#21
Slainge Var'
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Originally Posted by Dadof6
Whether it is from the pending 727 excess or any other forthcoming vacancy bid, good luck to anyone bidding to go to an FDA, or bidding to remain in an FDA. And I mean that in the most literal sense. I hope for the best for all y'all. (No smilies here)
04-10-2013, 05:28 AM
#22
Line Holder
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Originally Posted by Dadof6
Glad you're back, Daniel; long time no hear. And you're exactly right--can you say 'bump and flush'? I predict the token (-1) in all seats except MEM 757 FO, HKG, and CGN. How very special, says Church Lady.
Even when we're drafting LCAs for the MEM Airbus right seat.
Even when we're drafting LCAs for the MEM Airbus right seat.
04-10-2013, 05:39 AM
#23
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Hypothetical -
If there were to be a total excess (from the 727) and -1 in the MEM MD11 FO, ANC MD11 FO, LAX MD11 FO, and MEM A300 FO seats, we have a bump and flush situation. If 727 pilots go to those seats we will also have an excess out of those seats.
So even if you didn't want to go to the 767, if faced with 757 vs. 767, you may end up bidding it.
It's too early to panic. I predict any flushes to seats that aren't where they want to herd the mice will be significantly delayed and will overlap with the next bid. Seats where they want you may be delayed too, but just long enough so you're in training at the close of the next bid.
Remember, Bid what you want to fly
If there were to be a total excess (from the 727) and -1 in the MEM MD11 FO, ANC MD11 FO, LAX MD11 FO, and MEM A300 FO seats, we have a bump and flush situation. If 727 pilots go to those seats we will also have an excess out of those seats.
So even if you didn't want to go to the 767, if faced with 757 vs. 767, you may end up bidding it.
It's too early to panic. I predict any flushes to seats that aren't where they want to herd the mice will be significantly delayed and will overlap with the next bid. Seats where they want you may be delayed too, but just long enough so you're in training at the close of the next bid.
Remember, Bid what you want to fly
Last edited by Gunter; 04-10-2013 at 06:22 AM.
04-10-2013, 05:51 AM
#24
Thx Age 65
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Originally Posted by Boola Boola
For us newbs, can someone explain what -1 means? Shrink the bidpack by 10 percent or something? Thanks. Sounds like more training for the junior guys, just another chance to excel. yay....
04-10-2013, 06:11 AM
#25
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I would be surprised if they flushed CAs this time.
They may not flush anyone but 727 crew members with the 727 excess bid. The next excess may do that out of only one or two other seats if the 727 pilots don't go where they want them. Those two quick excess bids may be closely followed by a small vacancy bid for 757/767/777 and possibly some CA seats.
Now that I've made a prediction the plan will be much different.
They may not flush anyone but 727 crew members with the 727 excess bid. The next excess may do that out of only one or two other seats if the 727 pilots don't go where they want them. Those two quick excess bids may be closely followed by a small vacancy bid for 757/767/777 and possibly some CA seats.
Now that I've made a prediction the plan will be much different.
04-10-2013, 06:17 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Boola Boola
For us newbs, can someone explain what -1 means? Shrink the bidpack by 10 percent or something? Thanks. Sounds like more training for the junior guys, just another chance to excel. yay....
Last edited by Dadof6; 04-10-2013 at 06:22 AM. Reason: HoursHore hit it
04-10-2013, 06:26 AM
#27
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When there is a -1, people get to bid to relieve the excess. Those are processed before involuntary excesses.
Bids to relieve give the company a headache even if there is a -1 in EVERY seat they don't want additional crew members in. Management might be forced to train people they don't want to move. But this may be inevitable if all the 727 FOs, for example, want to be Airbus FOs and bottom Airbus FOs dream of being MD11 FOs AND no one bids to relieve.
I think a CA bid is around the corner so those bidding to relieve into a CA seat may be desired. I'm sure standing bids are being analyzed.
Bids to relieve give the company a headache even if there is a -1 in EVERY seat they don't want additional crew members in. Management might be forced to train people they don't want to move. But this may be inevitable if all the 727 FOs, for example, want to be Airbus FOs and bottom Airbus FOs dream of being MD11 FOs AND no one bids to relieve.
I think a CA bid is around the corner so those bidding to relieve into a CA seat may be desired. I'm sure standing bids are being analyzed.
04-10-2013, 06:33 AM
#28
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Position: Excessed WB Capt.
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Originally Posted by kronan
Going out on a limb here, but pretty sure single pay rate would reduce WB pay and increase NB pay.
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Their pension is also fenced off with executive management.
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04-10-2013, 06:40 AM
#29
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If they did a giant excess bid wouldn't the passover pay go up incredibly? Why wouldn't anyone with a seniority greater than 3358 (junior HKG CA) bid it? So far I think about 2 guys have actually had to go and if you're junior, recent bids would show that you have almost zero chance of activating. How much is the Company paying in POP right now? About 100 guys at a $50k differential, $5million a year. ??
04-10-2013, 07:09 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
We don't want that - it would cause too many training cycles before it all settled out and would hurt the junior guys QOL!
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