Excess Bid?
04-10-2013, 02:22 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by ClutchCargo
Where'd you get that number?
Caveman logic math. Average retirement with max retirement age at 65 is 62...So, when retirement was at 60, average retirement must have been 57. He's a good subtractor.
04-10-2013, 04:56 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
In practice the company has the option of filling secondaries or not. So not everyone gets bumped just because they put a -1. But in your scenario, a 727 guy that bid HKG capt would probably get it and go. They may or may not flush out of the bottom. But I suspect they will not excess out of the FDAs, but that option is always available on a subsequent bid.
04-10-2013, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AerisArmis
Wouldn't all the guys get HKG Capt POP from all the previous bids have to go first?
04-10-2013, 06:20 PM
#44
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Lag - maybe I'm confused but I thought all the FOs getting POP bid to relieve excess on the big excess bid a few years ago - they bid HKG CA and the CBA says a pilot cannot be excesses out of an FDA but those FOs were in fact owed POP...and most still get it. Did the settlement change any if that? The 727 CA that bids HKG CA should get awarded that, will not cause an excess from HKG and he most likely will not go unless A LOT of new HKG CA positions are created.
04-10-2013, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuck
Lag - maybe I'm confused but I thought all the FOs getting POP bid to relieve excess on the big excess bid a few years ago - they bid HKG CA and the CBA says a pilot cannot be excesses out of an FDA but those FOs were in fact owed POP...and most still get it. Did the settlement change any if that? The 727 CA that bids HKG CA should get awarded that, will not cause an excess from HKG and he most likely will not go unless A LOT of new HKG CA positions are created.
04-10-2013, 08:20 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Tuck
Lag - maybe I'm confused but I thought all the FOs getting POP bid to relieve excess on the big excess bid a few years ago - they bid HKG CA and the CBA says a pilot cannot be excesses out of an FDA but those FOs were in fact owed POP...and most still get it. Did the settlement change any if that? The 727 CA that bids HKG CA should get awarded that, will not cause an excess from HKG and he most likely will not go unless A LOT of new HKG CA positions are created.
24.C.6.d. If an excessed pilot is denied an award to an FDA crew position, pursuant to Section 24.C.6.a. or C.6.c. (above), and he has insufficient seniority to be awarded or assigned another crew position with the same or higher rate of pay, he shall be entitled to passover pay.
Maybe they will excess a couple of guys out and then hold a vacancy bid to scare everyone.
04-11-2013, 07:10 AM
#47
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[QUOTE=MEMA300;1388088]Why?
They also have a 1% pension (12%B). We willing to give up 50% of our pension to get WB pay for everybody?
There are many provisions in our contract that are better than UPS's.
If that wasn't the case, then you'd hear anecdotes of FedEx pilots leaving to work at UPS instead of the reverse.
Just my opinion that Mgt won't go for WB pay for everyone just to reduce training costs. So, I'm thinking if we proposed it, our pay would settle somewhere between WB\NB pay depending upon how well we negotiate....and personally, I'm happier with the devil I know
They also have a 1% pension (12%B). We willing to give up 50% of our pension to get WB pay for everybody?
There are many provisions in our contract that are better than UPS's.
If that wasn't the case, then you'd hear anecdotes of FedEx pilots leaving to work at UPS instead of the reverse.
Just my opinion that Mgt won't go for WB pay for everyone just to reduce training costs. So, I'm thinking if we proposed it, our pay would settle somewhere between WB\NB pay depending upon how well we negotiate....and personally, I'm happier with the devil I know
04-11-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KnightFlyer
Yep, if you have 24 yrs in at the end of the fiscal year (31 May), you only need to work until sometime in Nov of the new fiscal year to get credit for another year of longevity (25 yr max).
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