IslanderDriver

How does this excess bid compare with the one a few years ago. The one where all the new hires in ANC got booted out? (2008?)
(If I understand correctly, that excess was associated with Age 65 change.)

And although ANC shows "just" -15 in the FO seat, depending on how everything ripples through the system there could be many more than that spit out the bottom of the ANC MD-11 list, correct?

And yes...I've been reading everything put out on this and the contract. Thanks for that suggestion.

Tuck

Yes there could be many more spit out of the bottom of ANC but I sort of doubt it - it would depend on how many of the MEM guys are willing to commute or move to ANC. I could see many more than 35 guys leaving MEM-11 FO but ANC I think is a bit different since it's been harder and harder to commute but we have some strange folks here.

TonyC - yeah I figure with guys around the 2000-3000 seniority it's a bit of a gamble but there are several guys on the published FEPP lists higher than 3000 that will have to go first and because they've already been getting FEPP for so long, are far more likely to accept an awarded position to HKG CA. Now how about the 3000-4200 guys that could bid this - can't think of a logical reason why not bid it? Worst case you take the extra money and put it in a savings account just in case you may have to pay it back. If you get awarded HKG CA, simply turn it down and pay back the money, no harm no foul. If down the line you end up activating to a different Widebody position you just made yourself several hundred thousand dollars.

Huck

That caboose in the Hong Kong left seat should get free beers....

Tuck

Excess posting 09-02, the big one, had

12 ANC-11 CA
56 ANC-11 FO
11 MEM-11 FO
91 MEM-30 CA
84 MEM-30 FO

much bigger

Huck

Actually, if you add the slots going away on the 727, it's about the same number.

Albief15

How many captains/FOs with 20+ years of experience are going to upgrade vice retire? How many guys flying from SBN and ROA for years want to do 777 ops around the world? Gonna be some fun practice bids. One of the last bastions of "old school" just got rocked. It will be interesting to see where those crews decide to go... I figure 75% will pick 757/A300 with similar trips, but there may be some that use this at a catalyst to try something new.

Let's not forget there will be vacancy bid following this. The good news is there will not be a single guy who is sitting sideways when these bids are over. That wasn't the case in 08/09. Hope nobody gets burned out of a seat they currently like, but after all the chaos of the last 5 years you do have to know if you are bottom 10% in any seat it doesn't always mean you can stay there forever. My impression was in the 90s and until recently, once you got a seat at FDX it was pretty much yours to keep. It might be at 99%, and you were on A reserve, but it was yours. After the last few years it is apparent that we look more like the legacies when it comes to up and down displacements. I haven't heard anyone here say "I won't bid that until I can hold it at 60%...." since about 2007. Interesting times...

TonyC

The last excess for ANC was -1 -- quite a few more than that left.

It would also depend on how many more committee volunteers are willing to bid it and use trip removal to avoid going there very often.







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mrzog2138

TonyC,

When you excessed from the MD-11C seat and bid HKG-300C did your remain on captain widebody pay the entire time? It looks like you would go down to first officer pay until your FEPP virtual training activation date. Am I correct?

TonyC

How close are you to going to Hong Kong now?






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mrzog2138

I agree. That guy has made a lot of people a lot of extra money. He should not have to buy a beer the rest of his career.

But remember HKG was going to go senior according to our previous union leadership.