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ClutchCargo 04-19-2013 10:17 AM

Posting 13-04
 
Just read the FCIF but no posting on PFC main page. 35 Capt, 35 F/O. Closes 06May.

Premature FCIF?

FXDX 04-19-2013 10:20 AM

Don't see the proposed bid pack either, perhaps that will go with the posting on the main PFC page.

C17MooseDriver 04-19-2013 10:22 AM

It's up now on PFC main page

Tractor Bob 04-19-2013 11:24 AM

Surprise FDX Tech can support two bids at once. Great set up for a canceled bid until we work out the glitches scenario.....

IslanderDriver 04-19-2013 01:39 PM


Surprise FDX Tech can support two bids at once. Great set up for a canceled bid until we work out the glitches scenario.....
There a history of cancelled bids at FedEx?

FXDX 04-19-2013 01:53 PM

Depends on what you call a history. Bids 08-03, 09-01 and 09-04 were all canceled.

Bids 08-01 and 08-02 had vacancies and excesses in them at the same time.

So do you believe that the programming logic is unable to manage both vacancies and an excess in a single bid?

Why not just tell us why they won't do them both together?

USMCFDX 04-19-2013 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by FXDX (Post 1394550)
Depends on what you call a history. Bids 08-03, 09-01 and 09-04 were all canceled.

Bids 08-01 and 08-02 had vacancies and excesses in them at the same time.

So do you believe that the programming logic is unable to manage both vacancies and an excess in a single bid?

Why not just tell us why they won't do them both together?

Funny thing is you can still see them under General, Postings on PFC. Proves they did it, and they can.

So why are they lying to us?

Just Culture?

Gunter 04-19-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Tractor Bob (Post 1394458)
Surprise FDX Tech can support two bids at once. Great set up for a canceled bid until we work out the glitches scenario.....

They have another anti-virus scan they need to run during the am launch. You didn't need computer access, did you?

Do we hire the bottom computer science guys?

Fly FDX 04-19-2013 06:15 PM

Will Training really start in June?
 
With the first 76's arriving in Nov, Dec and Jan. and FCIF saying training 4-8 crews a month. Would they really start training in June? Seems like a lot of sitting around waiting for Nov.

Huck 04-19-2013 06:58 PM

But they can fly 757's while they're waiting.

Fly FDX 04-19-2013 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Huck (Post 1394723)
But they can fly 757's while they're waiting.

Yeah, I was wondering about that. How would that work? Would they have to publish a MEM 767 bid pack with only 757 flying in it? Would they do that; pay WB pay for flying they already have pilots to do at NB pay?

FDXLAG 04-19-2013 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Fly FDX (Post 1394786)
Yeah, I was wondering about that. How would that work? Would they have to publish a MEM 767 bid pack with only 757 flying in it? Would they do that; pay WB pay for flying they already have pilots to do at NB pay?

Think it would be cheaper to pay em WB rates to fly nothing and buy up their lines?

MaxKts 04-19-2013 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Fly FDX (Post 1394786)
Yeah, I was wondering about that. How would that work? Would they have to publish a MEM 767 bid pack with only 757 flying in it? Would they do that; pay WB pay for flying they already have pilots to do at NB pay?

Yes, they would!

Daniel Larusso 04-19-2013 09:23 PM

I have no idea how the feds classify the 767 in relation to the 757, but didn't they have a bunch of trouble with things like consolidation and what the feds considered abuse of the green on green new type exemptions for the 757? Perhaps that factors into it.

IslanderDriver 04-19-2013 11:17 PM


Depends on what you call a history. Bids 08-03, 09-01 and 09-04 were all canceled.

Bids 08-01 and 08-02 had vacancies and excesses in them at the same time.

So do you believe that the programming logic is unable to manage both vacancies and an excess in a single bid?

Why not just tell us why they won't do them both together?
Sounds like recent history. :mad:

Doogs 04-20-2013 05:39 AM

I wonder how 4-8 crews per month relates to the total capacity of 757/767 training. It would seem like that is going to dramatically impact 757 training.

MEMA300 04-20-2013 02:32 PM

The bid shows equal capt and FO. Usually you have a certain percentage more in left seat than you right seat. Guess they will run 767 Capt seat light as everybody speculated.

PicklePausePull 04-20-2013 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by MEMA300 (Post 1395182)
The bid shows equal capt and FO. Usually you have a certain percentage more in left seat than you right seat. Guess they will run 767 Capt seat light as everybody speculated.

Why not? Didn't we just give them a fresh supply of 757 Captains to man the 767?

MaxKts 04-20-2013 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by MEMA300 (Post 1395182)
The bid shows equal capt and FO. Usually you have a certain percentage more in left seat than you right seat. Guess they will run 767 Capt seat light as everybody speculated.


Originally Posted by PicklePausePull (Post 1395189)
Why not? Didn't we just give them a fresh supply of 757 Captains to man the 767?

Just like in the 75 now 195 CA to 193 FO! In reality that is a higher percentage of CA to FO :rolleyes:

FXDX 04-20-2013 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by PicklePausePull (Post 1395189)
Why not? Didn't we just give them a fresh supply of 757 Captains to man the 767?

Uh, the FAA did that when they made them a common type.

Sluggo_63 04-20-2013 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by PicklePausePull (Post 1395189)
Why not? Didn't we just give them a fresh supply of 757 Captains to man the 767?

No (I don't think). If I understand correctly, the 757 guys won't be able to fly the initial 767s because of the "round dial" issue.

FDXLAG 04-21-2013 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 1395323)
No (I don't think). If I understand correctly, the 757 guys won't be able to fly the initial 767s because of the "round dial" issue.

Just a differences training from what I understand. I think the Feds are happy letting us be "qualed" on any 2 of 3. Glass 75 and either round dial or glass 76.

Jumbo Pilot 04-21-2013 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1395372)
Just a differences training from what I understand. I think the Feds are happy letting us be "qualed" on any 2 of 3. Glass 75 and either round dial or glass 76.

FDXLAG is correct.

At other "Brand X" airlines.. the pilots of the 757/767 can legally fly a mixture of airplanes. Some "classic" 757's that have round dials and EFIS all the way to the 767-400s with complete glass cockpits that are similar to what FedEx will have with our advanced flight deck.

All that is required is the differences training to learn the particulars of the jets we'll be flying.

The magic of the common type rating.

JP

The Walrus 04-21-2013 01:55 PM

They would have to go to Seattle for that training though.

Sluggo_63 04-21-2013 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1395372)
Just a differences training from what I understand. I think the Feds are happy letting us be "qualed" on any 2 of 3. Glass 75 and either round dial or glass 76.

That's not how I understood it during the ALPA webcast.
-Glass 757 & glass 767 ... ok
-Glass 767 & round 767 ... ok
-Glass 757 & round 767 ... not ok

I thought that was the whole purpose behind the initial "SBA" bid.

I've been wrong before, though.

Overnitefr8 04-22-2013 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 1395836)
That's not how I understood it during the ALPA webcast.
-Glass 757 & glass 767 ... ok
-Glass 767 & round 767 ... ok
-Glass 757 & round 767 ... not ok

I thought that was the whole purpose behind the initial "SBA" bid.

I've been wrong before, though.

I thought it was explained somewhere that you can be checked out in any combination of two but not three.

MaxKts 04-22-2013 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 1395858)
I thought it was explained somewhere that you can be checked out in any combination of two but not three.

Yes, that is correct.

MaxKts 04-22-2013 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 1395836)

I thought that was the whole purpose behind the initial "SBA" bid.

I've been wrong before, though.

SBA Bid will not be required until we have both versions of 76 on property.

TonyC 04-23-2013 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by MaxKts (Post 1396016)

SBA Bid will not be required until we have both versions of 76 on property.


SBA Bid will be required when we get the first Classic B-757. We just bought 30 from UAL. Cargo conversion, skip the cockpit upgrade, there ya go.






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TonyC 04-23-2013 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 1395323)

If I understand correctly, the 757 guys won't be able to fly the initial 767s because of the "round dial" issue.


The initial B-767s will be "Classic" cockpits, which will require a Special Bid Award (SBA). Only pilots who are current and qualified and without weather restriction can bid SBA.

How many B-767 pilots do we have who are current and qualified and without weather restriction?


B-757 Advanced Cockpit
B-767 Classic Cockpit

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-------- That makes two.






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TonyC 04-23-2013 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by FXDX (Post 1394550)

Depends on what you call a history. Bids 08-03, 09-01 and 09-04 were all canceled.

Bids 08-01 and 08-02 had vacancies and excesses in them at the same time.

So do you believe that the programming logic is unable to manage both vacancies and an excess in a single bid?

Why not just tell us why they won't do them both together?


Those pesky facts. :rolleyes:


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