Posting 13-03 Practice bid - HKG
04-21-2013, 11:04 AM
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Well I had a long post to show where all the pilots on the FEPP list shook out on this first practice bid. Then I thought better of it.
I disagree that there is an error in the programming, I just think that of the 21 pilots on the FEPP list senior to the last pilot on the HKG CA practice award, 17 of them simply changed their standing bid for the practice bid. The 4 who didn't were awarded HGK CA and the 17 who did held either 75 CA in MEM or CGN or various wide body right seats. I don't think that is all that strange for a practice bid, and I will bet that many of them will change it back to HKG for the actual close of the bid.
I am just a very interested observer.
FJ
I disagree that there is an error in the programming, I just think that of the 21 pilots on the FEPP list senior to the last pilot on the HKG CA practice award, 17 of them simply changed their standing bid for the practice bid. The 4 who didn't were awarded HGK CA and the 17 who did held either 75 CA in MEM or CGN or various wide body right seats. I don't think that is all that strange for a practice bid, and I will bet that many of them will change it back to HKG for the actual close of the bid.
I am just a very interested observer.
FJ
04-21-2013, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Falconjet
Well I had a long post to show where all the pilots on the FEPP list shook out on this first practice bid. Then I thought better of it.
I disagree that there is an error in the programming, I just think that of the 21 pilots on the FEPP list senior to the last pilot on the HKG CA practice award, 17 of them simply changed their standing bid for the practice bid. The 4 who didn't were awarded HGK CA and the 17 who did held either 75 CA in MEM or CGN or various wide body right seats. I don't think that is all that strange for a practice bid, and I will bet that many of them will change it back to HKG for the actual close of the bid.
I am just a very interested observer.
FJ
I disagree that there is an error in the programming, I just think that of the 21 pilots on the FEPP list senior to the last pilot on the HKG CA practice award, 17 of them simply changed their standing bid for the practice bid. The 4 who didn't were awarded HGK CA and the 17 who did held either 75 CA in MEM or CGN or various wide body right seats. I don't think that is all that strange for a practice bid, and I will bet that many of them will change it back to HKG for the actual close of the bid.
I am just a very interested observer.
FJ
04-21-2013, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter
Except that I know guys senior the the junior award and guys on the FEPP list that both bid it and weren't awarded it! That's why I asked the question in the first place.
That would not stop their FEPP as long as they continued to bid Capt HKG since they held it on a pervious posting.
04-21-2013, 12:25 PM
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The company can only fill secondaries on this bid for HKG since there are zero vacancies. Unless someone voluntarily bids out no one can get awarded in.
FEPP guys can do a lateral bid on this - say A300F to MD11F, stop future FEPP but keep all received with no repayment. Take the money and run. I think...
FEPP guys can do a lateral bid on this - say A300F to MD11F, stop future FEPP but keep all received with no repayment. Take the money and run. I think...
04-21-2013, 12:37 PM
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[QUOTE=Tuck;1395614]The company can only fill secondaries on this bid for HKG since there are zero vacancies. Unless someone voluntarily bids out no one can get awarded in.
If an FO is actually awarded a CGN or HKG secondary with no published vacancy (not an FEPP issue) does that mean the company has created space for them or is projecting a near-future need? Again there were 7 CGN FO awards but nobody has bid out of CGN...does this mean we are expanding or creating openings?
If an FO is actually awarded a CGN or HKG secondary with no published vacancy (not an FEPP issue) does that mean the company has created space for them or is projecting a near-future need? Again there were 7 CGN FO awards but nobody has bid out of CGN...does this mean we are expanding or creating openings?
04-21-2013, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuck
The company can only fill secondaries on this bid for HKG since there are zero vacancies. Unless someone voluntarily bids out no one can get awarded in.
FEPP guys can do a lateral bid on this - say A300F to MD11F, stop future FEPP but keep all received with no repayment. Take the money and run. I think...
FEPP guys can do a lateral bid on this - say A300F to MD11F, stop future FEPP but keep all received with no repayment. Take the money and run. I think...
04-21-2013, 02:35 PM
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How could that be though? Could the company on say the next bid say at the closing that they decided to change the vacancies to fill to 5 captains and 5 FOs and just increase the 57Fs to add 50 more? Where do they find relief in the CBA for changing the number of total spots on an excess bid??
04-21-2013, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter
Except that I know guys senior the the junior award and guys on the FEPP list that both bid it and weren't awarded it! That's why I asked the question in the first place.
If you know for a fact that somebody senior to the last guy on the practice award bid it and wasn't awarded it on the practice then I would say we have some problems with the bid. Were they eligible to participate in the excess in the first place?
FJ
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