FDX - Offsite Training for Initial 767 Crews
04-28-2013, 09:03 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Still a little confused on how that grievance would effect pilots 2 & 3 in your example.
The WB CAs skew the picture. My bad.
I agree. WB FOs with seniority #s 1430 and 2434 would have made a better discussion.
I just wanted to confirm the relative order of training BTR > EXC.
I'll go to sleep tonight with a clear conscience, and in 1-2 weeks I'll know what the actual training letter looks like.
04-29-2013, 06:37 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by viperdriver
I would be the end of the 777 training letter with 6 months off, that is a big loss for me.
I'm guessing you could have bid the 777 on at least 3 previous postings, 11-01, 11-02 and 12-01. If you wanted the widebody money you should have gone for it then.
Now you are potentially going to get several months off, fully paid at your current pay rate, then upgrade to a higher pay rate, and you have the nerve to say that it is a "loss" for you.
Grab the checklist and ask for that logbook again.
04-29-2013, 07:35 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
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Originally Posted by FXDX
YGTBSM!
I'm guessing you could have bid the 777 on at least 3 previous postings, 11-01, 11-02 and 12-01. If you wanted the widebody money you should have gone for it then.
Now you are potentially going to get several months off, fully paid at your current pay rate, then upgrade to a higher pay rate, and you have the nerve to say that it is a "loss" for you.
Grab the checklist and ask for that logbook again.
I'm guessing you could have bid the 777 on at least 3 previous postings, 11-01, 11-02 and 12-01. If you wanted the widebody money you should have gone for it then.
Now you are potentially going to get several months off, fully paid at your current pay rate, then upgrade to a higher pay rate, and you have the nerve to say that it is a "loss" for you.
Grab the checklist and ask for that logbook again.
04-29-2013, 07:50 AM
#24
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I read the thread. I have read many of his posts. Not sure how you get that from the post above, but whatever.
My bad if it was too harsh, but that post comes off a lot different than you two seem to realize.
My bad if it was too harsh, but that post comes off a lot different than you two seem to realize.
04-29-2013, 01:03 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: B-777 Captain
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[QUOTE=NightBusDriver;1399765]Okay, FDXLAG, un-confuse me...
with an excess bid the training is assigned as follows:
BTR-SNR: BID TO RELIEVE (SENIOR)
BTR-JNR: BID TO RELIEVE (JUNIOR)
EXC-JNR: EXCESSED (JUNIOR)
EXC-SNR: EXCESSED (SENIOR)
So from this sampling of Practice Bid #2:
# SEN CURR PREV TYPE
1. 1065 57CM 27CM EXC
2. 1109 57CM 30CM BTR
3. 1144 57CM 30CM BTR
4. 2084 57CM 27CM EXC
5. 2302 57CM 11CM BTR
6. 2339 57CM 77FM BTR
7. 2377 57CM 27CM EXC
8. 2464 57CM 27CM EXC
Wouldn't the proper training order (by contract language and seniority) fall out like this...
#2-3-5-6-8-7-4-1
And if they simply "put the Bus/MD/Triple guys at the end" then they would be training out-of-order (e.g. 1-4-7-8-2-3-5-6, whatever) and passover pay would be paid to pilots 2&3 based on 4's activation, and to 5&6 based on 7. I know, small-scale sample but I hope it illustrates my point/question.
All I know is A squared plus B squared equals C squared.
with an excess bid the training is assigned as follows:
BTR-SNR: BID TO RELIEVE (SENIOR)
BTR-JNR: BID TO RELIEVE (JUNIOR)
EXC-JNR: EXCESSED (JUNIOR)
EXC-SNR: EXCESSED (SENIOR)
So from this sampling of Practice Bid #2:
# SEN CURR PREV TYPE
1. 1065 57CM 27CM EXC
2. 1109 57CM 30CM BTR
3. 1144 57CM 30CM BTR
4. 2084 57CM 27CM EXC
5. 2302 57CM 11CM BTR
6. 2339 57CM 77FM BTR
7. 2377 57CM 27CM EXC
8. 2464 57CM 27CM EXC
Wouldn't the proper training order (by contract language and seniority) fall out like this...
#2-3-5-6-8-7-4-1
And if they simply "put the Bus/MD/Triple guys at the end" then they would be training out-of-order (e.g. 1-4-7-8-2-3-5-6, whatever) and passover pay would be paid to pilots 2&3 based on 4's activation, and to 5&6 based on 7. I know, small-scale sample but I hope it illustrates my point/question.
All I know is A squared plus B squared equals C squared.
04-30-2013, 03:22 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Maybe for the real senior 72 guys. But I imagine a lot of the 76 training will be 75 guys already. The bus/MD guys can be put at the end of the list (no passover) and the other 72 guys can be shuffled right in. If they train 2 76 guys a month that will more than likely keep up with inventory.
Lot of rumors of 75 training going off site too.
Lot of rumors of 75 training going off site too.
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