FDX excess or bid to relieve
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FDX excess or bid to relieve
Does anyone know for sure if the company can train excessed before relieve the excess if it is inconvenient for them. I just read this grievance and am now confused. For example would a 727 excessed guy go after all other bid to relieve guys? or can they train you when they want and give you passover of squat. I am think of 727excessed to 777
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
REGARDING THE TRAINING ORDER IN POSTINGS INVOLVING AN
EXCESS
OLTT-OF-SENIORITY COMPENSATION REMEDY (OSCR)
In order to resolve Administrative Grievance No. 08-14, and to avoid the filing of additional grievances relating to potential disputes the Company and the Association may have as to the interpretation, practice, and interrelation of Sections 24.D.1. and D.3.a. of the Agreement, and paragraph F. ofthe Settlement Agreement Regarding the Cancellation of Crew Position Awards/Assignments, Regulated Age Freeze, and Excess Bid Procedures, the Company and ALPA agree as follows:
A. Applicability
This Settlement Agreement shall apply to Posting 08-02 and any subsequent postings that involve, in whole or part, a declared excess in a crew position.
B. The "Best of All Possible Order" List
After the close of an applicable posting, pilots who received a crew position through either a vacancy bid, bid to relieve the excess, or involuntary excess shall be pooled together in the crew position to which they are going (the BAPO list).
1.
Pilots receiving a crew position through a bid to relieve or vacancy bid shall be pooled together and scheduled for training in seniority order (BAPO-l).
2.
Pilots who receive an involuntary excess shall be scheduled for training in inverse seniority order and after the pool described in no. 1 above (BAPO-2).
3.
The BAPO list shall remain fixed and not change by subsequent changes in the actual training letter.
C. Passover pay eligibility
Pilots who have received a crew position through an involuntary excess shall be considered as having received an "award" for the purposes of determining passover pay eligibility for pilots in the BAPO-l list under Section 24.D.2. and other passover pay provisions in Section 24.
D. OSCR eligibility
If it becomes necessary to schedule a pilot's training other than as published on the BAPO-2 list, the pilot shall be entitled to an OSCR as follows:
1. If a pilot is moving from a higher-paying crew position to a lower-paying crew position, the pilot shall be entitled to the higher paying crew position pay rate until the pilot's projected activation on the BAPO list.
Note: A pilot-initiated training swap (Section 24.0.6.) will not result in a longer period of entitlement to the higher paying crew position pay rate than that created by the Company-initiated rescheduling of the pilot's training.
2. If a pilot is moving from a crew position to another crew position with the same
rate of pay, the pilot shall earn 1.5 CH, in addition to all other compensation, for
each week in which the pilot's projected activation date on the first published
training letter precedes the pilot's BAPO projected activation date.
a. Any fluctuation after the first published training letter shall not decrease
the compensation calculation. The compensation calculation may increase
due to fluctuations in the training letter if the projected activation date is
pushed to an earlier date and such push was not directly due to:
i. that pilot's training swap; or
11. the filling of vacated training slots if the BAPO order is otherwise
maintained.
b. The compensation shall be paid in a lump sum within 90 days of the first
published training list.
c. Repayment ofOSCR under paragraph D.2. shall be limited to pilots who:
i. began training but did not complete training for the crew position in
which OSCR under paragraph D.2. was triggered, other than due to
involuntary excess, death, or retirement; or
11. received a voluntary award (including a vacancy award or bid to
relieve the excess award).
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
REGARDING THE TRAINING ORDER IN POSTINGS INVOLVING AN
EXCESS
OLTT-OF-SENIORITY COMPENSATION REMEDY (OSCR)
In order to resolve Administrative Grievance No. 08-14, and to avoid the filing of additional grievances relating to potential disputes the Company and the Association may have as to the interpretation, practice, and interrelation of Sections 24.D.1. and D.3.a. of the Agreement, and paragraph F. ofthe Settlement Agreement Regarding the Cancellation of Crew Position Awards/Assignments, Regulated Age Freeze, and Excess Bid Procedures, the Company and ALPA agree as follows:
A. Applicability
This Settlement Agreement shall apply to Posting 08-02 and any subsequent postings that involve, in whole or part, a declared excess in a crew position.
B. The "Best of All Possible Order" List
After the close of an applicable posting, pilots who received a crew position through either a vacancy bid, bid to relieve the excess, or involuntary excess shall be pooled together in the crew position to which they are going (the BAPO list).
1.
Pilots receiving a crew position through a bid to relieve or vacancy bid shall be pooled together and scheduled for training in seniority order (BAPO-l).
2.
Pilots who receive an involuntary excess shall be scheduled for training in inverse seniority order and after the pool described in no. 1 above (BAPO-2).
3.
The BAPO list shall remain fixed and not change by subsequent changes in the actual training letter.
C. Passover pay eligibility
Pilots who have received a crew position through an involuntary excess shall be considered as having received an "award" for the purposes of determining passover pay eligibility for pilots in the BAPO-l list under Section 24.D.2. and other passover pay provisions in Section 24.
D. OSCR eligibility
If it becomes necessary to schedule a pilot's training other than as published on the BAPO-2 list, the pilot shall be entitled to an OSCR as follows:
1. If a pilot is moving from a higher-paying crew position to a lower-paying crew position, the pilot shall be entitled to the higher paying crew position pay rate until the pilot's projected activation on the BAPO list.
Note: A pilot-initiated training swap (Section 24.0.6.) will not result in a longer period of entitlement to the higher paying crew position pay rate than that created by the Company-initiated rescheduling of the pilot's training.
2. If a pilot is moving from a crew position to another crew position with the same
rate of pay, the pilot shall earn 1.5 CH, in addition to all other compensation, for
each week in which the pilot's projected activation date on the first published
training letter precedes the pilot's BAPO projected activation date.
a. Any fluctuation after the first published training letter shall not decrease
the compensation calculation. The compensation calculation may increase
due to fluctuations in the training letter if the projected activation date is
pushed to an earlier date and such push was not directly due to:
i. that pilot's training swap; or
11. the filling of vacated training slots if the BAPO order is otherwise
maintained.
b. The compensation shall be paid in a lump sum within 90 days of the first
published training list.
c. Repayment ofOSCR under paragraph D.2. shall be limited to pilots who:
i. began training but did not complete training for the crew position in
which OSCR under paragraph D.2. was triggered, other than due to
involuntary excess, death, or retirement; or
11. received a voluntary award (including a vacancy award or bid to
relieve the excess award).
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I'll take a crack at this. I think it is important to know what the grievance was to begin with, so that the purpose of the fix is put in context.
It appears that back then the training letter changed and someone did not get passover pay. So the main purpose of the settlement is to decide passover pay issues when the training letter changes but NOT to acknowledge that the company can regularly train out of order.
Going by the language in this settlement agreement, it reiterates what the procedure is for assigning training dates.
I would answer your question, NO. The company will not arbitrarily rearrange a training assignment for their convenience and just pay the fine. That is not the purpose of the settlement or the intention of the section.
Some of the reasons I can think of as to why our company would need to rearrange training would be due to delayed a/c deliveries, maintenance, customer and regulatory issues. I do not believe training would be reversed (excessed before bid to relieve) to save a couple of bucks from a COUPLE of pilots.
However, once the crew position groups are put together, there doesn't seem to be any bar against training one group of pilots before another.
Perhaps someone with knowledge of the settlement can add to this. But I would not read a settlement on passover pay as a green light for training assignment discrimination.
It appears that back then the training letter changed and someone did not get passover pay. So the main purpose of the settlement is to decide passover pay issues when the training letter changes but NOT to acknowledge that the company can regularly train out of order.
Going by the language in this settlement agreement, it reiterates what the procedure is for assigning training dates.
I would answer your question, NO. The company will not arbitrarily rearrange a training assignment for their convenience and just pay the fine. That is not the purpose of the settlement or the intention of the section.
Some of the reasons I can think of as to why our company would need to rearrange training would be due to delayed a/c deliveries, maintenance, customer and regulatory issues. I do not believe training would be reversed (excessed before bid to relieve) to save a couple of bucks from a COUPLE of pilots.
However, once the crew position groups are put together, there doesn't seem to be any bar against training one group of pilots before another.
Perhaps someone with knowledge of the settlement can add to this. But I would not read a settlement on passover pay as a green light for training assignment discrimination.
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