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Rocco 05-04-2013 05:27 PM

UPS Pilots
 
During the 1997 Teamsters Strike the only pilots to fly for UPS were managers. Since this group flew during a strike does that not make any FQS who worked at UPS in 1997 a SCAB?

Someone made a comment that there was only one left in the Management ranks.:confused:

Rocket Bob 05-04-2013 07:52 PM

...I'd say there's a difference. Those guys are managers, we may not like the system, but it's the hand we've been dealt. Eastern, CAL, United '85 group, different story. They fly or they are fired, no recourse. If we go on strike in a few years, they will fly til they time out and then stop. This time, there are probably less to do the flying.

FrontSeat 05-04-2013 09:37 PM

Are we a closed shop or not.....?

if we are only a partially closed shop then I only want to pay partial dues.

brownie 05-05-2013 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by frontseat (Post 1403723)
are we a closed shop or not.....?

If we are only a partially closed shop then i only want to pay partial dues.

Ameeeeeeeeeen;)

freightretriever 05-05-2013 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by Rocket Bob (Post 1403690)
...I'd say there's a difference. Those guys are managers, we may not like the system, but it's the hand we've been dealt. Eastern, CAL, United '85 group, different story. They fly or they are fired, no recourse. If we go on strike in a few years, they will fly til they time out and then stop. This time, there are probably less to do the flying.

I'd say Merriam-Webster about sums it up:

a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Rocco 05-05-2013 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by freightretriever (Post 1403872)
I'd say Merriam-Webster about sums it up:

a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Thanks. This is what I thought as well. IMO all those guys that worked here in 97 are SCABS. They flew struck freight. Period.

Seems to be a double standard here.

JustUnderPar 05-05-2013 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Rocket Bob (Post 1403690)
If we go on strike in a few years, they will fly til they time out and then stop. This time, there are probably less to do the flying.

So you are at home or on a picket line during a strike, these guys are out "flying the line". How does that not make them SCABS?

I don't think their numbers have decreased that dramatically compared to the number of union pilots here. If you look at FQS's per tail it is about the same as it has been for the last 10 years or so. YMMV.:cool:

aflouisville 05-05-2013 10:24 AM

In '97 The IPA honored the Teamsters Strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, FQS are not scabs. If IPA were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the FQS were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.

OnStep 05-05-2013 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1403896)
In '97 The IPA honored the Teamsters Strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, FQS are not scabs. If IPA were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the FQS were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.

Spoken like true 3 time SCAB.

RedeyeAV8r 05-05-2013 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by aflouisville (Post 1403896)
In '97 The IPA honored the Teamsters Strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, FQS are not scabs. If IPA were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the FQS were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.


No, you'd just be crossing a Picket line...........A pig wearing Lipstick is still a Pig.

Wasn't the EAL pilot strike in 89 a sympathy strike with the IAM?

Crossing a Picket line is crossing a picket line, no matter how you try to justify it and a Scab is a Scab.


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