No sense in getting lathered up about it, this will end up in arbitration, the Company will prevail although in the midst of the improprieties, the Union has no teeth when it comes to the arbitration process ...................

Management will argue that if they included everything in one bid they would have included extra excesses. Also, the affected crewmembers number less than 70 because of the secondary awards in the 767 bid.

Management can excess as many, or as few, people as they want.

Let's roll back the clock - How about using a 727 SO excess bid to fill vacancies in CA and FO seats? Vacancies that appeared only after a subsequent excess out of those seats exceeding the number of SO's that bid to relieve into them.

If any group of bids was ripe for grievance that was it.

You can't triple stamp a double stamp!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RKDifoyra8

Your whole argument rests on you proving that 13-03 and 13-04 were a single posting. Good luck with that.

I commend you for trying to find a creative way to keep those 70 guys from being excessed, but contractually it doesn't hold water.(IMHO)

oh, nevermind

Yep, I remember BC briefing; we needed to pass the HKG LOA back in 06 because we had an labor unfriendly administration and there was no way we would win a grievance with the current group and the current NMB. So how's this new labor friendly administration/NMB working out. Have we won anything, ever?

I think the number is closer to double 70. Each of the wide-body captains and first officers unneccesarily excesses precipitated another excess in the narrow-body captain, wide-body first officer or narrow-body fisrt officer seat in which they landed. I'd bet there are close to 70 potential grievants that landed in the 57FM seat alone.

Depending on where the 767 secondaries began, they may trigger additional grievants.






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I knew you had a sense of humor somewhere in there. ;)






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Well, they are a little busy with more important issues right now.....

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Looking at the final for 13-04 my guess is the company wasn't being sinister they were just trying to make sure that current 75 guys had a shot at the 76. Saves a lot of training cycles in the only training program they are short slotted in.