Worst Cargo Airlines to fly for (Pay,QOL,ETC)
05-13-2013, 11:18 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by Luckydawg
What happened to the NURP? I wonder how long it takes for him/her to return under a new avatar?
His/her reaction to Vagabond's "we have you surrounded" was "what, you mean I can attack in any direction?"
05-14-2013, 04:13 AM
#83
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Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 5,912
Bring back Custom Air Transport!! Weekend Layovers in San Diego - sailing and golf!!! Salt Lake City - skiing and golf!!! Calgary - sking and the stampede!!! and even Kansas City... only during tornado chasing season.
05-14-2013, 04:17 AM
#84
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Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
I agree this place should be making more money. We lose hundreds of millions every year because of the poor relationship between management and labor. I know I have no hesitation turning on the APU when it's 72 degrees out.
05-14-2013, 05:19 AM
#85
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757/767 Capt
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UPS guys,
A little perspective may help. I was hired in 95 @ $23,000/yr second year $44,000, 3rd year $56,000. Captains were paid $144/hr. I turned down a job at United in 95 because some wise old men in my Resrerve squadron told me, "Stick with Cargo, its less turbulent (career wise)". At the time, (mid 1994) Delta and American had alot of guys on furlough, many of whom flew with me in my squadron. So I opted to go to UPS instead of United. 3 years later, 1998, we were in the midst of an ugly contract negociation, we went on strike for two weeks walking picket lines with the teamsters and I basically thought I had made the worst decision of my life coming to UPS. My Buds at United that were hired in early 1995 (when I would have been) were based in New York (where I live/no commuting to SDF) were flying wide-bodies and making approx $86/hr while I was bringing in $56/hr. They also recieved over $80,000 each because of the ASOP (?) United's employee stock ownership plan. I had "Ooogatz!! (thats Italian slang for NOTHING!!!) fast forward 3 years later, I'm on the cusp of upgrading to Captain and United, AMR, Delta etc are on the cusp of collapse due to 9-11. Last week my United buddy asked me again when we were hiring?, He was hired at UAL in 1995! ditto for some of the American pilots too.
All I can say is the group of UPS pilots who were hired in 06/07 have suffered immensely, their have been jerked around and forced to live in the Frozen North. If I were in their shoes I'd be massively ****ed-off too, but have a little faith and eventually things will get better around here. I was bummed out for a few years, and to be honest as a junior Captain my scheds suck as much as a junior F/O (not looking for sympathy, I know many would trade places with me in a heartbeat) fight hard during these negociations and don't grab at the money or bonuses at the expense of livable schedules. we can have both and the IPA is the union that will deliver it...stay strong and realize it will get better. Don't let this place eat at your soul, fly safe collect a pay check and go home, if you need hugs get it from the wife and kids..its a job, and thats it.
A little perspective may help. I was hired in 95 @ $23,000/yr second year $44,000, 3rd year $56,000. Captains were paid $144/hr. I turned down a job at United in 95 because some wise old men in my Resrerve squadron told me, "Stick with Cargo, its less turbulent (career wise)". At the time, (mid 1994) Delta and American had alot of guys on furlough, many of whom flew with me in my squadron. So I opted to go to UPS instead of United. 3 years later, 1998, we were in the midst of an ugly contract negociation, we went on strike for two weeks walking picket lines with the teamsters and I basically thought I had made the worst decision of my life coming to UPS. My Buds at United that were hired in early 1995 (when I would have been) were based in New York (where I live/no commuting to SDF) were flying wide-bodies and making approx $86/hr while I was bringing in $56/hr. They also recieved over $80,000 each because of the ASOP (?) United's employee stock ownership plan. I had "Ooogatz!! (thats Italian slang for NOTHING!!!) fast forward 3 years later, I'm on the cusp of upgrading to Captain and United, AMR, Delta etc are on the cusp of collapse due to 9-11. Last week my United buddy asked me again when we were hiring?, He was hired at UAL in 1995! ditto for some of the American pilots too.
All I can say is the group of UPS pilots who were hired in 06/07 have suffered immensely, their have been jerked around and forced to live in the Frozen North. If I were in their shoes I'd be massively ****ed-off too, but have a little faith and eventually things will get better around here. I was bummed out for a few years, and to be honest as a junior Captain my scheds suck as much as a junior F/O (not looking for sympathy, I know many would trade places with me in a heartbeat) fight hard during these negociations and don't grab at the money or bonuses at the expense of livable schedules. we can have both and the IPA is the union that will deliver it...stay strong and realize it will get better. Don't let this place eat at your soul, fly safe collect a pay check and go home, if you need hugs get it from the wife and kids..its a job, and thats it.
05-14-2013, 11:24 AM
#87
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LOL. UPS guys complaining about their company on a thread titled "Worst Cargo Airlines to fly for (Pay,QOL,ETC)" where there are guys from Evergreen, Kalitta, Southern, etc..
It's like two middle class guys complaining that their steak was cooked medium instead of medium-rare while standing in front of customers of the soup kitchen.
Don't get my wrong, I know you guys are on a rough patch of road right now, but the guys at the supplementals have been drug behind the horse from the start with no end in sight.
It's like two middle class guys complaining that their steak was cooked medium instead of medium-rare while standing in front of customers of the soup kitchen.
Don't get my wrong, I know you guys are on a rough patch of road right now, but the guys at the supplementals have been drug behind the horse from the start with no end in sight.
05-14-2013, 12:58 PM
#88
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Position: 757 Capt
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FWIW, my FO can start the APU any time if he deems it necessary for crew comfort...I've only had one manager comment on starting the APU during the summer months and I told him it was a safety issue...that shut him up.
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05-14-2013, 01:26 PM
#89
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Posts: 128
Originally Posted by supernaut
LOL. UPS guys complaining about their company on a thread titled "Worst Cargo Airlines to fly for (Pay,QOL,ETC)" where there are guys from Evergreen, Kalitta, Southern, etc..
It's like two middle class guys complaining that their steak was cooked medium instead of medium-rare while standing in front of customers of the soup kitchen.
Don't get my wrong, I know you guys are on a rough patch of road right now, but the guys at the supplementals have been drug behind the horse from the start with no end in sight.
It's like two middle class guys complaining that their steak was cooked medium instead of medium-rare while standing in front of customers of the soup kitchen.
Don't get my wrong, I know you guys are on a rough patch of road right now, but the guys at the supplementals have been drug behind the horse from the start with no end in sight.
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05-14-2013, 01:34 PM
#90
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Originally Posted by Vito
They also recieved over $80,000 each because of the ASOP (?) United's employee stock ownership plan.
And bear in mind, it COULDN'T be cashed out till retirement. Those that banged out at the peak did OK. Those rode out the post 9/11 and BK era found it only worth a fraction of what it was before that.
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