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Old 05-08-2013, 03:15 PM   #1  
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Default 48 Hour Int'l Vacation Buffer

If a trip to HNL ends with a 52 hour layover on OAK followed by operating to MEM does the 48 hour vacation buffer apply? I can't decipher if the domestic 52 hour layover in OAK plus the domestic leg to MEM meet the criteria of the contract section below:

If a pilot slides his vacation period to within 48 hours of the scheduled end of a trip in which the last activity is an international duty period, that trip shall be deemed in conflict with the vacation period, except for a trip described in Section 12.D.1.c.i.
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A pilot shall be relieved of all duty and reserve availability for at least 48 consecutive hours at the conclusion of an international trip that exceeds 120 hours TAFB, except for trips scheduled in accordance with Section 12.D.1.c.i.

If the trip does not exceeds 120 hours TAFB but the last duty period is an international duty period, then the buffer applies also.

You can waive the international duty periods when you bid if you want to retain the trip and slide the vacation within 48 hours of the end of the trip.
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You can waive the international duty periods when you bid if you want to retain the trip and slide the vacation within 48 hours of the end of the trip.
I don't think you can waive the buffer with an international trip.
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1. Regular Line Holder

A regular line holder shall be removed from a trip(s) in conflict with his vacation period (as awarded or slid) or vacation expansion. Conflict with an international duty free buffer, as described in Section 12.D.1.d., shall constitute a conflict with the trip protected by that buffer and may not be waived. The SCH value of the removed trip(s) shall be deducted from the pilot's vacation credit hour bank.
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Sluggo you are correct.
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If a trip to HNL ends with a 52 hour layover on OAK followed by operating to MEM does the 48 hour vacation buffer apply? I can't decipher if the domestic 52 hour layover in OAK plus the domestic leg to MEM meet the criteria of the contract section below:

If a pilot slides his vacation period to within 48 hours of the scheduled end of a trip in which the last activity is an international duty period, that trip shall be deemed in conflict with the vacation period, except for a trip described in Section 12.D.1.c.i.
Are you going to receive Intl override for the trip? Yes. So, all of the international scheduling parameters apply, including the prohibition to waiving the 48 hour vacation buffer, even though the last leg is OAK-MEM. Of course, when in doubt, call ALPA Contract Enforcement to confirm this.
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Are you going to receive Intl override for the trip? Yes. So, all of the international scheduling parameters apply, including the prohibition to waiving the 48 hour vacation buffer, even though the last leg is OAK-MEM. Of course, when in doubt, call ALPA Contract Enforcement to confirm this.
Actually, not totally true. ANC and SJU get you Intl override but your scheduling check in procedures are domestic (8hrs) not (12hrs).
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Are you going to receive Intl override for the trip? Yes. So, all of the international scheduling parameters apply, including the prohibition to waiving the 48 hour vacation buffer, even though the last leg is OAK-MEM. Of course, when in doubt, call ALPA Contract Enforcement to confirm this.
I agree with all of the above ... especially the Contract Enforcement part
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Actually, not totally true. ANC and SJU get you Intl override but your scheduling check in procedures are domestic (8hrs) not (12hrs).
Hence the 120 hrs TAFB part....
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Hence the 120 hrs TAFB part....
You dh to Indy for flight to bqn then back and forth all week. 184 hrs TAFB. (#302 md11 june bid pack) Your Final check in procedures are still 8 hours. Yet you get international override. I'm just sayin it doesn't work for all cases for scheduling parameters.
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Actually, not totally true. ANC and SJU get you Intl override but your scheduling check in procedures are domestic (8hrs) not (12hrs).
OK, there are exceptions, i.e.,

12.D.1.c. Trips in the following categories may be scheduled in accordance with domestic parameters rather than international parameters. When such trip(s) are built, they will be designated as being subject to domestic or international parameters, as applicable.
i. trips that operate entirely within Alaska; or within or between, Canada, Mexico, Bermuda and Puerto Rico, or between any of these locations and the contiguous 48 states.

But, since he was coming from HNL, and assuming the trip was over 120 TAFB, then the 48 hour non-waiverable International vacation buffer applies.


7.G.1. Vacation Bank Administration - Regular Line Holder
A regular line holder shall be removed from a trip(s) in conflict with his vacation period (as awarded or slid) or vacation expansion. Conflict with an international duty free buffer, as described in Section 12.D.1.d., shall constitute a conflict with the trip protected by that buffer and may not be waived. The SCH value of the removed trip(s) shall be deducted from the pilot's vacation credit hour bank.

12.D.1.d. d. International Duty Free Buffer
i. A pilot shall be relieved of all duty for at least 24 consecutive hours prior to the start of an international trip scheduled to exceed 120 consecutive hours. A pilot may, however, be on reserve (during which time he performed no flying or standby duty) within 24 hours of the showtime for an international trip scheduled to exceed 120 consecutive hours.

Again, call Contract Enforcement for the definitive answer.
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