UPS Pilots
05-04-2013, 05:27 PM
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UPS Pilots
During the 1997 Teamsters Strike the only pilots to fly for UPS were managers. Since this group flew during a strike does that not make any FQS who worked at UPS in 1997 a SCAB?
Someone made a comment that there was only one left in the Management ranks.
Someone made a comment that there was only one left in the Management ranks.
05-04-2013, 07:52 PM
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...I'd say there's a difference. Those guys are managers, we may not like the system, but it's the hand we've been dealt. Eastern, CAL, United '85 group, different story. They fly or they are fired, no recourse. If we go on strike in a few years, they will fly til they time out and then stop. This time, there are probably less to do the flying.
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05-05-2013, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocket Bob
...I'd say there's a difference. Those guys are managers, we may not like the system, but it's the hand we've been dealt. Eastern, CAL, United '85 group, different story. They fly or they are fired, no recourse. If we go on strike in a few years, they will fly til they time out and then stop. This time, there are probably less to do the flying.
a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
05-05-2013, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by freightretriever
I'd say Merriam-Webster about sums it up:
a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
Seems to be a double standard here.
05-05-2013, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocket Bob
If we go on strike in a few years, they will fly til they time out and then stop. This time, there are probably less to do the flying.
I don't think their numbers have decreased that dramatically compared to the number of union pilots here. If you look at FQS's per tail it is about the same as it has been for the last 10 years or so. YMMV.
05-05-2013, 10:24 AM
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In '97 The IPA honored the Teamsters Strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, FQS are not scabs. If IPA were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the FQS were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.
05-05-2013, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by aflouisville
In '97 The IPA honored the Teamsters Strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, FQS are not scabs. If IPA were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the FQS were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.
05-05-2013, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by aflouisville
In '97 The IPA honored the Teamsters Strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, FQS are not scabs. If IPA were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the FQS were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.
No, you'd just be crossing a Picket line...........A pig wearing Lipstick is still a Pig.
Wasn't the EAL pilot strike in 89 a sympathy strike with the IAM?
Crossing a Picket line is crossing a picket line, no matter how you try to justify it and a Scab is a Scab.
05-05-2013, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by aflouisville
in '97 the ipa honored the teamsters strike, per the contract. They did not strike. Thus, fqs are not scabs. If ipa were to go on strike: Still not scabs because the fqs were not taking union jobs, simply flying while union pilots were gone. Struck goods has nothing to do with it.
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