MX727

The company seems to be getting smart. They are attacking at the edges, the instructors and Section 9. Get qualified, non-seniority holders into those jobs and we have the same problem UPS has with their non-seniority FQS types. I hope we hold the line on this....

flextodaline

Here's my question (and obvious lack of negotiating knowledge), when the company insists on PBS in ANY area of our contract, why do we not just stand up from the table and walk away? Why even bother discussing its "creep" into other sections of the contract? Everyone I know, from DL, to AA, to any other airline that utilizes PBS says it is the worst thing that can happen to our quality of life. So why beat about the bush on this, thinking that somewhere down the road the company will say, "...ah, just kidding about this whole PBS thing.....just wondering how long you guys would put up with it for"? We are wasting time in other valuable areas!! This is a SHOW STOPPER!! The longer we take to dance around this issue, the longer the company can delay getting us a REAL contract, and we suffer financially. ENOUGH PBS TALK........WALK!!!!!!

FDXLAG

Short version:
Because when we enter self help the company enters self help and can impose whatever they like on us. If we are the ones walking away from the table the negotiator just shrugs his shoulders and say why didn't you talk to them.

Mister Nobody

DING, DING, DING, DING . . . . . We have a winner! I have been wondering the same thing. Why let the company inside your playbook when what they are offering is so unacceptable to the majority of the crew force it would be voted down every day and twice on Sunday. In my opinion, and it's not worth anything, the NC should have walked as soon as PBS was mentioned and not withdrawn.

On a side note, I know that a lot of guys on reserve have been denied schedule improvements due to "insufficient reserves." In my opinion, and again, it's not worth anything, this could be a ploy by the company for PBS. Don't be surprised if a couple of months down the road they come in and say "well with PBS you wouldn't have to make bid line adjustments because PBS will give you what you want." So not true! Don't believe it, speaking from experience here, that is not a true statement!

Hold the line. PBS = Automatic NO VOTE! By the way, everyone talks about the importance of wearing ALPA lanyards to show unity of the pilot group. Why doesn't the association make anti-PBS pins to attach to those lanyards to show how serious we are about this issue. Just a suggestion but, yet again, my opinion doesn't count.

RedeyeAV8r

To be more correct, they can impose their last offer before the 30 day cooling off period started. You are correct in that protocol requires good faith negotiation until the NMB declares an impasse.

FDXLAG

My question is what constitutes French Struck Work? Anxiously waiting the company MEC negotiated FCIF per CBA 1.F.

Busboy

Wouldn't make any difference if there's no one there to impose it on.

Just sayin'

flextodaline

Outside of the current CBA???

If we are adamant enough in our refusal to play ball with PBS, why not let the company know right off the bat that there is no need to continue until PBS is gone. They can pitch whatever they want, in whatever format but what it boils down to is a "NO" vote if PBS comes into play. So again I ask, why do we keep spinning our wheels? This could drag on for awhile.......

trashhauler

Flex, the company already know PIBS is a non starter. But, they are still going to go through their paces and present it. The thing you need to remember is that this is business,it's not personal. At least, this is the way I look at it.

FLMD11CAPT

Because the rules of the game are the Neg. Comm. has to sit and listen to "Their" side. it's called bargaining in good faith. At any future immpasse we have to be able to point to our barganing history and say "We listened and worked for a solution but....". The only way to hold the line on PBS is exactly what we are doing.....THE MEMBERSHIP is sending and has to continue to send the unequivocal message "We Will NOT Ratify ANY agreement that contains PBS, Period". Then during these current negotiations the NC can shrug and say "Hey we can talk till the cows come home about PBS....It won't ratify". Thus making it ( from us) a dead issue.