"The Turn"
06-12-2013, 09:27 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by HazCan
If anyone out there doesn't recognize the direct dealings we are having with management, i.e "The Turn" (AKA, lets feed the pilots BBQ and then shove PBS up their a$$), then please pull your heads out of the sand and recognize what is happening. This isn't happening because they care. It's a distraction, plain and simple. It's a way to engage the pilot group without having to deal with our negotiating committee in an effort to win hearts and minds. Remember what team you are on.
My recommendation is not to attend at all. We can all certainly afford to buy our own lunch. If you can't keep your face out of the feed bag, at least ask some of the following questions:
1) Why aren't the accepted fares fixed?
2) Why can't I deviate without having to rebook ALL legs of a multiple leg deadhead?
3) As an add-on to #2, why can't I be protected if I join a portion of the originally scheduled deadhead?
4) What makes you think we are interested in PBS when our negotiating committee has repeatedly told you it's a non-starter?
I'm sure you guys can add on a multitude of better questions, but I'm sure you get my drift. If not, well....good luck to us all.
My recommendation is not to attend at all. We can all certainly afford to buy our own lunch. If you can't keep your face out of the feed bag, at least ask some of the following questions:
1) Why aren't the accepted fares fixed?
2) Why can't I deviate without having to rebook ALL legs of a multiple leg deadhead?
3) As an add-on to #2, why can't I be protected if I join a portion of the originally scheduled deadhead?
4) What makes you think we are interested in PBS when our negotiating committee has repeatedly told you it's a non-starter?
I'm sure you guys can add on a multitude of better questions, but I'm sure you get my drift. If not, well....good luck to us all.
If you are so inclined to eat their food and engage with them and their messaging, then I would encourage you and everyone you know who is going, to send them a strong message as you go through the line. Tell them how you feel about direct dealing and PBS. By the end of the day, I'd hope that rather than their message spewing, that they get to hear some of ours...repeatedly, from every guy that they are shoveling food for. "Thanks PC for the hamburger. I don't mean to be in your face, but you did tell me not to be shy...so I just want to let you that this here little cookout we have, will in no way make me vote for a contract that crushes my quality of life. More potato salad, please."
Wanna bet this little roadshow love never sees the light of day west of the Mississippi? Fo sho!
06-12-2013, 09:33 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Wildmanny
This HazCan guy really gets it! This is exactly what is going on. Notice how it's a chance to introduce yourself to management and that they may take it on the road---it's a chance to get you one on one or in small groups. Don't do it.
If you are so inclined to eat their food and engage with them and their messaging, then I would encourage you and everyone you know who is going, to send them a strong message as you go through the line. Tell them how you feel about direct dealing and PBS. By the end of the day, I'd hope that rather than their message spewing, that they get to hear some of ours...repeatedly, from every guy that they are shoveling food for. "Thanks PC for the hamburger. I don't mean to be in your face, but you did tell me not to be shy...so I just want to let you that this here little cookout we have, will in no way make me vote for a contract that crushes my quality of life. More potato salad, please."
Wanna bet this little roadshow love never sees the light of day west of the Mississippi? Fo sho!
If you are so inclined to eat their food and engage with them and their messaging, then I would encourage you and everyone you know who is going, to send them a strong message as you go through the line. Tell them how you feel about direct dealing and PBS. By the end of the day, I'd hope that rather than their message spewing, that they get to hear some of ours...repeatedly, from every guy that they are shoveling food for. "Thanks PC for the hamburger. I don't mean to be in your face, but you did tell me not to be shy...so I just want to let you that this here little cookout we have, will in no way make me vote for a contract that crushes my quality of life. More potato salad, please."
Wanna bet this little roadshow love never sees the light of day west of the Mississippi? Fo sho!
06-12-2013, 09:44 AM
#13
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Originally Posted by Wildmanny
This HazCan guy really gets it! This is exactly what is going on. Notice how it's a chance to introduce yourself to management and that they may take it on the road---it's a chance to get you one on one or in small groups. Don't do it.
If you are so inclined to eat their food and engage with them and their messaging, then I would encourage you and everyone you know who is going, to send them a strong message as you go through the line. Tell them how you feel about direct dealing and PBS. By the end of the day, I'd hope that rather than their message spewing, that they get to hear some of ours...repeatedly, from every guy that they are shoveling food for. "Thanks PC for the hamburger. I don't mean to be in your face, but you did tell me not to be shy...so I just want to let you that this here little cookout we have, will in no way make me vote for a contract that crushes my quality of life. More potato salad, please."
Wanna bet this little roadshow love never sees the light of day west of the Mississippi? Fo sho!
If you are so inclined to eat their food and engage with them and their messaging, then I would encourage you and everyone you know who is going, to send them a strong message as you go through the line. Tell them how you feel about direct dealing and PBS. By the end of the day, I'd hope that rather than their message spewing, that they get to hear some of ours...repeatedly, from every guy that they are shoveling food for. "Thanks PC for the hamburger. I don't mean to be in your face, but you did tell me not to be shy...so I just want to let you that this here little cookout we have, will in no way make me vote for a contract that crushes my quality of life. More potato salad, please."
Wanna bet this little roadshow love never sees the light of day west of the Mississippi? Fo sho!
"Say, how much is that new Gourmet Coffee gonna cost? What about his catering? How about we make a deal... Why don't save your food feast and start paying for KCM, so when we do try to commute to work (to make the corp money) we streamline the process and not have to deal with TSA bull****..."
We got a long list of little things that impress me a lot more than a free BBQ sandwich. Four or five FCIFs could completely change the tone and tenor of the labor/management relations. Instead, they move their lips but the step over dollars to pick up dimes mentality prevails, and those of us--especially commuters--notice.
For me--I will NEVER cancel a hotel until this KCM/accepted fares thing is fixed. You want me to help you save money? I'd love to--but let's help each other. Cost savings always seems to be a one way street around here...
06-14-2013, 06:51 AM
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by Albief15
This, plus...
"Say, how much is that new Gourmet Coffee gonna cost? What about his catering? How about we make a deal... Why don't save your food feast and start paying for KCM, so when we do try to commute to work (to make the corp money) we streamline the process and not have to deal with TSA bull****..."
We got a long list of little things that impress me a lot more than a free BBQ sandwich. Four or five FCIFs could completely change the tone and tenor of the labor/management relations. Instead, they move their lips but the step over dollars to pick up dimes mentality prevails, and those of us--especially commuters--notice.
For me--I will NEVER cancel a hotel until this KCM/accepted fares thing is fixed. You want me to help you save money? I'd love to--but let's help each other. Cost savings always seems to be a one way street around here...
"Say, how much is that new Gourmet Coffee gonna cost? What about his catering? How about we make a deal... Why don't save your food feast and start paying for KCM, so when we do try to commute to work (to make the corp money) we streamline the process and not have to deal with TSA bull****..."
We got a long list of little things that impress me a lot more than a free BBQ sandwich. Four or five FCIFs could completely change the tone and tenor of the labor/management relations. Instead, they move their lips but the step over dollars to pick up dimes mentality prevails, and those of us--especially commuters--notice.
For me--I will NEVER cancel a hotel until this KCM/accepted fares thing is fixed. You want me to help you save money? I'd love to--but let's help each other. Cost savings always seems to be a one way street around here...
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