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06-21-2013, 11:20 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by Nitefrater
Careful what you wish for....
Would it be a good thing if the FAA gets "brought in" and subsequently decides that (for the purpose of duty limits) jumpseat commuting time is duty time? There was a push for exactly that after the 2009 Colgan accident.
This is probably best left as a CBA issue. And on that note, do we have any definitive word on whether JG removed those guys with or without pay? If the former, there's no real issue. If the latter, then a grievance should be filed.
Would it be a good thing if the FAA gets "brought in" and subsequently decides that (for the purpose of duty limits) jumpseat commuting time is duty time? There was a push for exactly that after the 2009 Colgan accident.
This is probably best left as a CBA issue. And on that note, do we have any definitive word on whether JG removed those guys with or without pay? If the former, there's no real issue. If the latter, then a grievance should be filed.
Also, we are just "cargo pilots" and those fancy new rules don't apply to us
06-21-2013, 12:47 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
Yes, there was a push for it, but it was left out of the final rules so it couldn't have been that big a push!
Also, we are just "cargo pilots" and those fancy new rules don't apply to us
Also, we are just "cargo pilots" and those fancy new rules don't apply to us
06-21-2013, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitefrater
Until we do something that makes the feds want it to apply to us. This is not an issue where we want to be playing whack-a-mole. Play long enough and the machine eventually wins. Stick to the CBA issue.
06-21-2013, 06:40 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by Nitefrater
Careful what you wish for....
Would it be a good thing if the FAA gets "brought in" and subsequently decides that (for the purpose of duty limits) jumpseat commuting time is duty time? There was a push for exactly that after the 2009 Colgan accident.
This is probably best left as a CBA issue. And on that note, do we have any definitive word on whether JG removed those guys with or without pay? If the former, there's no real issue. If the latter, then a grievance should be filed.
06-21-2013, 06:49 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
All I'm saying is: a rule like that would hamstring corporations as much as it would us worker bees. The proposal had no support from pilot groups or from airlines - neither side wants it to be a rule!
For everyone else, quit running around scared and act like you have a pair.
06-21-2013, 07:45 PM
#76
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Ding, Ding, Ding. Give that man a cigar.
For everyone else, quit running around scared and act like you have a pair.
For everyone else, quit running around scared and act like you have a pair.
There are times when you want to invite the FAA to your conversations with the company. This isn't one of them. The only real reason to add the FAA to the conversation is if the company is violating a FAR. They're not. They're violating the CBA. And the FAA doesn't care if the company removes a pilot because he jumpseated to work.
Pay attention to the issue at hand.
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