Panel Splits on Raising Airline Pilot Retirement Age
06-07-2017, 06:23 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by ocskyguy
At the risk of stating the obvious, there are compelling reasons on both sides of this discussion. But, you cannot discount the few of us, such as brother Maxjet, who actually like our jobs and would like to keep the fun going as long as we can.
Some of us work our asses off to stay fit and able to fly. And, quite frankly, at 61 I will hold my cardio capacity and mental acuity against the 40 year old of your choice. I would be wholeheartedly in favor of a physical standard for a Class I that includes cognitive function testing. FYI, in the original drafts for extending 60 to 65, ALPA, IPA, APA and the IBT all came out against a "jump the bar" standard for the Class I, since the less fit of their brethren would not be able to keep up with us old bastards.
Being a career freight dog, I knew long ago that there would be no retirement provided for me. So, made my own. Could walk away anytime I want to. Just don't want to.
And, "management" has indicated that if I spend more than 14 days straight at home, I might just wake up with a cleaver in my forehead...
Some of us work our asses off to stay fit and able to fly. And, quite frankly, at 61 I will hold my cardio capacity and mental acuity against the 40 year old of your choice. I would be wholeheartedly in favor of a physical standard for a Class I that includes cognitive function testing. FYI, in the original drafts for extending 60 to 65, ALPA, IPA, APA and the IBT all came out against a "jump the bar" standard for the Class I, since the less fit of their brethren would not be able to keep up with us old bastards.
Being a career freight dog, I knew long ago that there would be no retirement provided for me. So, made my own. Could walk away anytime I want to. Just don't want to.
And, "management" has indicated that if I spend more than 14 days straight at home, I might just wake up with a cleaver in my forehead...
I agree with your statement of having tests but that will never happen in our society. Everyone must be equal regardless of the truth.
It's sad really. We've created an industry where it doesn't matter if you are better than the other guy. You only have to be good enough 1 day a yr on your PC.
Earnest Gahnn daid "senority is the chains that bind us in mediocrity "
06-07-2017, 07:00 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Most of us who had to retire before we really wanted to made a surprising discovery: retirement is vastly better than we thought it would be. 
Scoop
06-07-2017, 07:04 PM
#53
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Could someone please explain to me how and why it is discriminatory to force a pilot to retire at age 60 but it is not discriminatory to force that same pilot to retire at age 65?
I find it perplexing that a group calling themselves Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination would support replacing one number with a different number.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but isn't this still age discrimination? Wouldn't retirement based on ones ability to pass a Class I physical be the only true non-discriminatory policy?
Tipsy[/QUOTE]
Of course its discriminatory. But it is legal discrimination. We are not unique in this situation. You have to be 21 to legally drink in the USA - legal discrimination. You often have to be 25 to rent a car in the USA - legal discrimination.
Almost all military members (probably a few Flag Officer exceptions) have to retire at 62.
Air traffic controllers have to mandatorily retire at what, about 36 years old or something like that?
And yes you have to retire at age 65 from part 121 Ops in the USA - legal discrimination.................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................for now.
Scoop
I find it perplexing that a group calling themselves Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination would support replacing one number with a different number.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but isn't this still age discrimination? Wouldn't retirement based on ones ability to pass a Class I physical be the only true non-discriminatory policy?
Tipsy[/QUOTE]
Of course its discriminatory. But it is legal discrimination. We are not unique in this situation. You have to be 21 to legally drink in the USA - legal discrimination. You often have to be 25 to rent a car in the USA - legal discrimination.
Almost all military members (probably a few Flag Officer exceptions) have to retire at 62.
Air traffic controllers have to mandatorily retire at what, about 36 years old or something like that?
And yes you have to retire at age 65 from part 121 Ops in the USA - legal discrimination.................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................for now.
Scoop
06-13-2017, 07:49 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by woog315
My god I saw this thread at the top and I thought 67 was on the way
If they develop meaningful tests that are realistic, they will have better criteria for mandatory retirement.
Right now, the number by itself makes zero sense...perhaps put in place by 75 or 80 year olds who are NOT flying.
11-11-2017, 12:00 PM
#56
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Absurd justification
No one is crying (albeit yet) for a 70 year old US President to relinquish his unquestioned launch authority of our nation's vast nuclear arsenal....even after demonstrating some questionable sane behavior. Hardly anyone bats an eye.
So why are we really debating the mandatory retirement of airline Captains? If any person can continue to pass a comprehensive medical evaluation (think "military flight physical") then that person should be allowed to fly regardless of age.
So why are we really debating the mandatory retirement of airline Captains? If any person can continue to pass a comprehensive medical evaluation (think "military flight physical") then that person should be allowed to fly regardless of age.
11-11-2017, 12:58 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Could someone please explain to me how and why it is discriminatory to force a pilot to retire at age 60 but it is not discriminatory to force that same pilot to retire at age 65?
I find it perplexing that a group calling themselves Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination would support replacing one number with a different number.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but isn't this still age discrimination? Wouldn't retirement based on ones ability to pass a Class I physical be the only true non-discriminatory policy?
Of course its discriminatory. But it is legal discrimination. We are not unique in this situation. You have to be 21 to legally drink in the USA - legal discrimination. You often have to be 25 to rent a car in the USA - legal discrimination.
Almost all military members (probably a few Flag Officer exceptions) have to retire at 62.
Air traffic controllers have to mandatorily retire at what, about 36 years old or something like that?
And yes you have to retire at age 65 from part 121 Ops in the USA - legal discrimination.................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................for now.
Scoop
I find it perplexing that a group calling themselves Airline Pilots Against Age Discrimination would support replacing one number with a different number.
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but isn't this still age discrimination? Wouldn't retirement based on ones ability to pass a Class I physical be the only true non-discriminatory policy?
Of course its discriminatory. But it is legal discrimination. We are not unique in this situation. You have to be 21 to legally drink in the USA - legal discrimination. You often have to be 25 to rent a car in the USA - legal discrimination.
Almost all military members (probably a few Flag Officer exceptions) have to retire at 62.
Air traffic controllers have to mandatorily retire at what, about 36 years old or something like that?
And yes you have to retire at age 65 from part 121 Ops in the USA - legal discrimination.................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...........................................for now.
Scoop
It amuses me that so many pilots think that ours is the only profession with a mandatory retirement age.
11-11-2017, 02:05 PM
#60
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Originally Posted by Whaledrivr
Why would anyone want to continue working past 65.
I've never heard anyone from their deathbed say "I wish I would've worked more".
Get a hobby. Enjoy your family & home life. We've all traveled enough during our working lives.
I've never heard anyone from their deathbed say "I wish I would've worked more".
Get a hobby. Enjoy your family & home life. We've all traveled enough during our working lives.
Furthermore, there could always be those who's home life is fulfilled and who actually enjoys the job, the challenge, and the camaraderie. It's not everyone, but I have learned to only speak for myself rather than speculate about other's situations.
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