Sell your soul for $20 per day..... FDX
 

Wear the sleep watch for $20 per day, and give them data to manipulate into more optimization of our schedules. The line forms to the right.:rolleyes:

Just another hotdog cookout. Anybody ever wander into a bar and your buddy says "What a sausagefest"? This is one of those.

Runaway! Runaway!

The data is the data. It can't be manipulated, we have full access to the raw data. It can only help us, that is, unless you think that we are NOT as tired as everyone thinks...

You are correct. The data is the data. However, controlling the variables, can be manipulated. Would you say that the 4 different Indy night hub turns and a few AFW turns is representative of our "standard" night hub turn? IMHO is does not. Take your own little poll and ask some that do week on/week off night hub turns and I think you will find the overwhelming majority will tell you they would prefer to do Indy turns than Memphis turns. Pretty sure it's not because the popcorn is better there or that the movies or newer. Just saying it might not be a true representation of our night hub turn sleep habits.

Then I would advise you NOT to volunteer....let those that want the REAL trips represented....See that was easy, let others do the work.

Were you a Math/statistics major?

The data can't be manipulated...???

Even if you truly believe that, do you at least believe it can be interpreted differently by two different experts ?

It is very common for statisticians to dismiss / eliminate certain data point outliers when analyzing the data and building their models/conclusions.

That process, at times, can be very subjective.

Most of us have backgrounds in "deterministic math", while the real world is far more "probabilistic" and "fuzzy", especially when dealing with biological models.

I don't believe any set of data or study would be definitive, or that the conclusions would necessarily apply across our entire cohort of pilots.

There is always the question of how sensitive the model/conclusions are across the differences in the larger population, not just the survey data.

Much in the way we have learned to build aircraft strength at factors above expected real world stress levels, we need to build work/rest schedules which don't push the edges of the fatigue envelope.

A true safety culture/system looks at man, machine, mission, median & management --- all objectively & equally.

The real problem, as I see it is we still do not have access to the NASA sleep study OR the Enders report. Why not? Does anyone really think that if the data obtained in this current "effort" indicates a strong probability of rampant and chronic fatigue that those results as well will not end up in the same locked box as the two aforementioned studies? I for one do not.

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This is nothing more than another way for those bombastic idiots at the VP level to say, "Look, we're trying, see? Now sign up for PBS and we can make this ALL better". if they were serious about this, it would have happened way before section six openers..........

You're right ... the data is the data, but we were NEVER given the results of the NASA Sleep Study or the Ender's Report. I have to assume they had VERY BAD things to say.

I've had military, civilian and airline safety training and I have NEVER heard of the results of safety surveys not being released to the crew force.

Accordingly, I will NEVER volunteer to participate in another FDX sponsored "Safety Survey."

Edit: PS ... One of my doctors thinks I may have had a seizure due to being chronically tired (for which FedEx management opened a disciplinary hearing, so much for doing your best job for the company!*?)

The NASA report was, eventually, released. The MEC should have it if you want it. However, the issue of that and the Ender's report are red herrings here.

What people are forgetting is that we, ALPA, have equal say in how the data is collected and equal say in all the variables that are considered. The sleep scientists have a reputation that would be wrecked if either tried to play games, and both, ours and the Company's, need to reach consensus on all the variables.

The initial study is not going to show any major results, but was chosen to narrow the scope to make sure that the whole process for collecting the data works. The data will be a small part of the whole package, just a piece of it representing one type of trip, so in addition to testing the processes, it is not wasted data.

We, ALPA, found hard to get real testing to happen to prove these issues. This study is the beginning of that.