I didn't take it that way. From what's written:

Sounds like issues/failures in simulator sessions. More details needed though and with time they will come out from the NTSB.

As for the fatigue issue, of course it will come into play. No body is built for a career full of backside clock/night flying. But this is UPS and as a cargo company their bread butter relies on overnight flights connecting through a couple massive hubs to get packages ontime the following day. Sure there are some daytime trips but the majority of trips one would imagine are all night. I assume all UPS pilot applicants would already know it. That is the reason I would never want to work at UPS and FedEx. They are very good places in terms of stability and pay but a career of night flying isn't worth it IMO because that kinda flying takes years off your life. I believe the previous poster is correct that as far as FAR 117 is concerned for a domestic USA trip, this trip would have been legal. 10 hrs rest, max flight time 8-9 hrs depending on showtime, and duty time depends on exact report time but in the evening they could still pull a 10-11 hr day.


Any UPS pilots here, if a pilot was hired today what is the most junior base and aircraft? Could they hold SDF or would it be up in ANC? Just curious in terms of if these pilots had the seniority of holding something else as far as schedules go.

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ONT 757/767 is the junior base right now.

The Cpt had attempted upgrade on the 7576 and failed. The fleet manager at the time recommended he not try again.

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I'm sorry. This is just harsh. There is not a pilot out there who has not made mistakes. These families are still grieving too.:(

Management slug out to attack the one person who can't defend himself. With your track record I have to assume the opposite is true.

ShyGuy - I think that is exactly what L'il is commenting on and calling a "hatchet job". Planting that the idea that the PIC wasn't a good enough pilot to upgrade sooner and had previously had trouble in the sims.

As far as fatigue on the second night of a scheduled 4 night trip; it sounds as if the crew would have already been chronically fatigued; which constant flying on the backside of the clock can do to a person.

UPS is very afraid of the cargo cutout falling, so time to dig into the playbook.

I think you meant to say "Checkbook".