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CloudSailor 11-21-2013 02:07 PM

FedEx PFC: On The Radar
 
Really???

All I can say is: My negotiating committee speaks for me. Count me in.

HazCan 11-21-2013 02:52 PM

What a bunch of a$$hats.

Dakota 11-21-2013 03:48 PM

YEP!
 

Originally Posted by HazCan (Post 1525458)
What a bunch of a$$hats.

They just keep driving that wedge deeper and deeper.

Busdrivr 11-21-2013 03:52 PM

FedEx PFC: On The Radar
 
Question. What is the over/under rule? Does it have to do with what we wear over or under our uniform?

Albief15 11-21-2013 04:01 PM

Not clicking. Too busy doing other things anyway...

Busboy 11-21-2013 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Busdrivr (Post 1525524)
Question. What is the over/under rule? Does it have to do with what we wear over or under our uniform?

BMI 40 AND/OR Neck 17"

gderek 11-21-2013 04:25 PM

I don't know who "contract administration" is but they aren't that smart. Red Threat! Red Threat!

Gunter 11-21-2013 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by gderek (Post 1525552)
I don't know who "contract administration" is but they aren't that smart. Red Threat! Red Threat!

It's the manager that is in charge of contract admin.

Gunter 11-21-2013 04:46 PM

It's really simple. They are setting up for the arbitration that will occur when we don't accept their offer of PBS. They will try to say they worked diligently "reaching out" to us. Of course they will never admit they are making outrageous assertions. That the thing they want requires our management culture to completely change. A change that is not going to happen under any circumstance. Managers must be practicing their most naive and surprised look in the mirror for the "are you kidding me?" moment.

How the head of contract admin can preach PBS is good for us yet be ignorant of how scheduling works at FedEx tells you much about him.


From ALPA -

COMPASS PILOTS HAVE NEW CONTRACT

Pilots at Delta Connection carrier Compass Airlines have a new contract. The new six-year agreement is a combination of contract sections negotiated by ALPA and the airline, plus a handful of issues decided by an arbitrator.



They have a pretty good track record in arbitration (slimy arbitrators) so they are willing to take a chance. Apparently management has come to the conclusion there is nothing to lose but all to gain by stalling negotiations. A time honored technique from some seriously old school managers. If they could just convince us of that "fact" all will be well.

Do you think they respect our negotiating process? I don't. What we've got here is failure to communicate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A

Question is, can we speak in the language we know they understand?

lr35pilot 11-21-2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1525542)
BMI 40 AND/OR Neck 17"

It is AND not OR.
Those with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or greater and a neck circumference of 17 inches would have to be tested for obstructive sleep apnea.


FAA: Overweight pilots, controllers must be tested for sleep disorders - CNN.com

The Walrus 11-21-2013 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by lr35pilot (Post 1525639)
It is AND not OR. 40 and 17

It's neither and nor or. It's just the bmi.

Busboy 11-21-2013 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1525572)
It's really simple. They are setting up for the arbitration that will occur when we don't accept their offer of PBS. They will try to say they worked diligently "reaching out" to us. Of course they will never admit they are making outrageous assertions. That the thing they want requires our management culture to completely change. A change that is not going to happen under any circumstance. Managers must be practicing their most naive and surprised look in the mirror for the "are you kidding me?" moment.

How the head of contract admin can preach PBS is good for us yet be ignorant of how scheduling works at FedEx tells you much about him.


From ALPA -

COMPASS PILOTS HAVE NEW CONTRACT

Pilots at Delta Connection carrier Compass Airlines have a new contract. The new six-year agreement is a combination of contract sections negotiated by ALPA and the airline, plus a handful of issues decided by an arbitrator.



They have a pretty good track record in arbitration (slimy arbitrators) so they are willing to take a chance. Apparently management has come to the conclusion there is nothing to lose but all to gain by stalling negotiations. A time honored technique from some seriously old school managers. If they could just convince us of that "fact" all will be well.

Do you think they respect our negotiating process? I don't. What we've got here is failure to communicate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A

Question is, can we speak in the language we know they understand?

Who in their right mind would agree to arbitration over PBS? If and when the NMB proffers arbitration...I would decline.

Busboy 11-21-2013 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by lr35pilot (Post 1525639)

Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1525542)
BMI 40 AND/OR Neck 17"


It is AND not OR.
Those with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or greater and a neck circumference of 17 inches would have to be tested for obstructive sleep apnea.


FAA: Overweight pilots, controllers must be tested for sleep disorders - CNN.com

It was a joke. Mainly for Tony, and his pals. re: Sleep Apnea--Tony vs Many



Guess I needed a few of these...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Doogs 11-21-2013 06:34 PM

Just goes to show that the legal definition of a thing, i.e. direct dealing, isn't necessarily the practical definition of a thing.

Hound 11-21-2013 08:34 PM

The wake stirred up by back paddling is IMPRESSIVE!

TonyC 11-22-2013 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1525542)

BMI 40 AND/OR Neck 17"



No, no, no ...


It's BMI > 40 AND a reading comprehension test. ;)






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kronan 11-22-2013 04:21 AM

I can read just fine, I am not illegitimate!

:rolleyes:

Gunter 11-22-2013 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1525654)
Who in their right mind would agree to arbitration over PBS? If and when the NMB proffers arbitration...I would decline.

I hear you. We should get used to the idea that the current CBA will be with us for awhile.

MaydayMark 11-22-2013 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1526049)
We should get used to the idea that the current CBA will be with us for awhile.

Was that always part of Management's plan?

We'll squeeze them until they agree to PBS, intentionally drag out negotiations and then ask for arbitration ... heck, we might be able to drag this out for 4-5 years. We win! High 5's!

We can start this plan by taking their lockers away ... that will distract them for a couple of months ... ha, ha, ha!

lr35pilot 11-22-2013 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1525664)
It was a joke. Mainly for Tony, and his pals. re: Sleep Apnea--Tony vs Many



Guess I needed a few of these...:rolleyes:

Sorry, I have just seen so much on this lately. I am one of the over 17 inch fellas...at least that is what she says!
:eek::eek:

machz990 11-22-2013 12:19 PM

BMI over 40 is the definition of huge. This is FAA mandated.

MaydayMark 11-22-2013 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by machz990 (Post 1526240)
BMI over 40 is the definition of huge.

In that case maybe the FAA should mandate weight standards for pilots (the military does it!) and flight attendants (and Air Traffic Controllers and doctors and lawyers). Maybe we should have mandatory PT Tests like the military does. Would that count as a work day or as one of our minimum days off?

Federal Law Enforcement and Air Traffic Controllers have government regulated (required) retirement ages lower than pilots. Maybe we should negotiate for that in our next contract?

FrankTheTank 11-22-2013 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by machz990 (Post 1526240)
BMI over 40 is the definition of huge. This is FAA mandated.

Sorry. But I am extremely athletic and fall into the over 17 inch neck crowd, even though my waist is 32. But my BMI although "over weight" ain't close to 40. Those dudes are fat. Btw, my body fat is around 12%.. So I do kind agree with them in that over 40 BMI, unless you are very tall, is FAT! :eek:


I do think that BMI ain't a one size fits all equation, like myself. But we are talking about one of the extremes on the chart. I think the extremes on both side are more accurate than not. It's the middle that needs interpretation.

AFW_MD11 11-22-2013 01:31 PM

BMI = 40 at 6 feet tall = 295 pounds

HazCan 11-22-2013 01:43 PM

'Merica!!!!

Anthrax 11-23-2013 06:42 AM

[QUOTE=FrankTheTank;1526265]Sorry. But I am extremely athletic and fall into the over 17 inch neck crowd, even though my waist is 32. But my BMI although "over weight" ain't close to 40. Those dudes are fat. Btw, my body fat is around 12%..


You sound so hot! Blue eyes? Do you enjoy long walks holding hands?

Dreamily thinking of you,
Anthrax

Full pull 11-23-2013 09:19 AM

This crap is obviously written by attorneys. Their definition of direct negotiations is attorney double speak. Use the common sense approach, if it quakes like a duck.... That's the difference between attorneys and pilots, we use common sense.

Albief15 11-23-2013 01:13 PM

[QUOTE=Anthrax;1526652]

Originally Posted by FrankTheTank (Post 1526265)
Sorry. But I am extremely athletic and fall into the over 17 inch neck crowd, even though my waist is 32. But my BMI although "over weight" ain't close to 40. Those dudes are fat. Btw, my body fat is around 12%..


You sound so hot! Blue eyes? Do you enjoy long walks holding hands?

Dreamily thinking of you,
Anthrax

You forgot sign. I'm an Aquarius.

AerisArmis 11-23-2013 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by FrankTheTank (Post 1526265)
Sorry. But I am extremely athletic

Is one of your turn offs "mean people"? :p

FrankTheTank 11-23-2013 02:42 PM

Y'all are hilarious.. Good work!

Nope, I think there is still a little bit of black hair left but being replaced quickly.. Mostly gray haired like the rest of fedex folks.

FrankTheTank 11-23-2013 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by AerisArmis (Post 1526880)
Is one of your turn offs "mean people"? :p

I think I'm one of those grumpy and mean people or so my kids say..:eek:

Busboy 11-23-2013 02:45 PM

I find it hard to believe that any of us have BM's of 30...Let alone 40. I'm pretty athletic and my largest BM was about 14. With about 3 inches sticking out of the water.

frozenboxhauler 11-23-2013 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1526911)
I find it hard to believe that any of us have BM's of 30...Let alone 40. I'm pretty athletic and my largest BM was about 14. With about 3 inches sticking out of the water.

Congratulations, you launched a Boomer!!
fbh

lr35pilot 11-23-2013 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1526911)
I find it hard to believe that any of us have BM's of 30...Let alone 40. I'm pretty athletic and my largest BM was about 14. With about 3 inches sticking out of the water.

Now that right there is funny, I don't care who you are! :eek:

Larry The Cable Guy That's funny - YouTube

AerisArmis 11-23-2013 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1526911)
I find it hard to believe that any of us have BM's of 30...Let alone 40. I'm pretty athletic and my largest BM was about 14. With about 3 inches sticking out of the water.

It's no big deal

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