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edik 12-26-2006 04:09 PM

Flying Cargo???
 
Quick question…

How difficult is it to fly cargo having your own aircraft. For example, say if I want to buy my own Navajo, and fly under UPS, FedEx, or some other cargo company. How hard is it to get a contract with them? How would one go about the process in finding out more info about it.

Huck 12-26-2006 04:18 PM

Fedex feeders lease their Caravans from Fedex, I think....

Rama 12-26-2006 05:33 PM

Its not difficult to fly cargo-getting your 135 certifcate is.

Pilotpip 12-26-2006 05:42 PM

1) Get your 135 certificate.
2) Bid a lower price for the route than the previous holder.
3) Fly that route under the terms of the contract until somebody that completes steps 1 and 2 repeats the process.

GauleyPilot 12-26-2006 06:28 PM

It would be almost impossible for one plane and one pilot to fly a Fedex or UPS contract. For example, what about when your aircraft is down, or you are sick? You may be able to fly on-demand freight, checks, etc.
I doubt Fedex or UPS would want a navajo. The loads would be bigger, and I imagine they would want turbine equipment.
BTW... Insurance for FAR 135 is FREAKING EXPENSIVE!!!!! Owning a 135 company will consume your life.

Rama 12-26-2006 09:01 PM

UPS and Fed Ex contracts don't go to the lowest bidder, they go to the operator who can meet the time frame reliably and reasonably priced. A single plane won't cut it for many of their markets.
135 is not easy, cheap or necessarily profitable. It takes a long time and a lot of hoops to get a certificate. You must comply with the feds, insurance companies, the irs, and local airport operations to begin with. I wouldn't say don't do it, just that you need a lot of time, money and aspirin to make it work.

Pilotpip 12-26-2006 09:22 PM

Gauley,

UPS has a Caravan and 402 fly in to STL every night from Poplar Bluff, MO and Kirksville, MO respectively. The 402 replaced a Baron. There are a number of "feeder" routes out there that are up for grabs. They are both flown by small companies, but even these companies have a number of aircraft and pilots. In many cases those piston twins are less expensive to operate than a Caravan.

DaveP2 12-27-2006 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by edik (Post 95986)
Quick question…

How difficult is it to fly cargo having your own aircraft. For example, say if I want to buy my own Navajo, and fly under UPS, FedEx, or some other cargo company. How hard is it to get a contract with them? How would one go about the process in finding out more info about it.


I think this saying applies for this thread...

"How do you end up with a million dollars? Start with a billion and open an airline!!"

Good luck to you sir!:)

GauleyPilot 12-30-2006 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 96109)
Gauley,

UPS has a Caravan and 402 fly in to STL every night from Poplar Bluff, MO and Kirksville, MO respectively. The 402 replaced a Baron. There are a number of "feeder" routes out there that are up for grabs. They are both flown by small companies, but even these companies have a number of aircraft and pilots. In many cases those piston twins are less expensive to operate than a Caravan.

Pilotpip:

Cool. I had only seen UPS and Fedex Feeders fly airplanes like Caravans or a Shorts. I know various piston twins fly hard every night flying for a living, I just didn't know about UPS and Fedex.

Thanks

lzakplt 01-04-2007 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Rama (Post 96097)
I wouldn't say don't do it, just that you need a lot of time, money and aspirin to make it work.

That's the truth. Emphasis on money. I watched a friend try to start a single pilot 135 operation on the cheap. He was dialing up credit card balances before he even got his plane home.


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