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Old 05-25-2014, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildmanny View Post
Flight ops manglement at its finest. Seriously, be safe!

PS--Just remember guys, unfortunately we aren't negotiating with the likes of our ops leadership, but with lawyers.
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While I get your general intent, who do you think is sitting across the table from our negotiators?

Nothing dumb, daring or different.... just the contract.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:30 AM
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Couldn't have possibly said it better! Really, the distractions in the cockpit are about graduations and vacations? Good God!! What planet do these people live on?
A planet where no managers fly, or HAVE flown the line with any regularity.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:58 AM
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Graduations? Summer vacations? Pathetic and out of touch leadership. Period.
It's not leadership, nor does it pretend to be. Leadership and management are NOT the same thing. We have management.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitefrater View Post
...It's not leadership, nor does it pretend to be. Leadership and management are NOT the same thing. We have management.
Agree

Resources are managed

People are led

However, in the world of aviation safety one commonly looks at:

Man, Machine, Medium, Management and Mission

If you're going to effectively talk/preach to people about safety, it requires true leadership
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Old 05-25-2014, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pakagecheck View Post
WM,
While I get your general intent, who do you think is sitting across the table from our negotiators?

Nothing dumb, daring or different.... just the contract.
Pakage
Of course there is a management guy there, I think it is JP this go around, but it doesn't make all that much difference. The general intent of my post is that we are battling lawyers, who more than likely have more on the ball than our crack managers. They get some of their input from management.
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:59 PM
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I think this falls under words and phrases managers aren't allowed to use.

When they ask about any "vacation" distractions affecting you, with a quick wink, they're really asking about their failure to negotiate.

The answer is - Yes, we are approaching systemic failure
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:22 PM
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Ah, the elephant in the room is finally acknowledged...due to "an increase in the number and frequency of inflight events."

There's a simple solution...and "making Safety our number one priority" is not it.
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Old 05-29-2014, 03:37 PM
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Ah, the elephant in the room is finally acknowledged...due to "an increase in the number and frequency of inflight events."

There's a simple solution...and "making Safety our number one priority" is not it.
I wonder if talking about BM's $250K fuel sense bonus, and speculating on his potential sick note bonus would be considered a distraction!
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:29 PM
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I wonder if talking about BM's $250K fuel sense bonus, and speculating on his potential sick note bonus would be considered a distraction!
250K...where did you get that info?
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Old 05-29-2014, 05:03 PM
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250K...where did you get that info?
Go ask him.
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