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HKFlyr 06-18-2014 06:34 AM

FCA versus TAA
 

Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1666853)
You're right. Its just a line in the FOM that says they are mandatory

FOM states to provide access as scheduled to FAA, LCAs, and FCAs(for QA observations)

TAAs aren't any of the above.

Tuck 06-18-2014 11:12 AM

So what exactly is a Fleet Check Airman? Is that defined anywhere? What is the document describing the program?

MaydayMark 06-18-2014 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 1667160)
So what exactly is a Fleet Check Airman? Is that defined anywhere? What is the document describing the program?


FCA ... Fake Check Airman?


:eek:

TonyC 06-18-2014 08:32 PM

Well, let's try this again, one point at a time.


Originally Posted by 3pointlanding (Post 1666808)

Whether an observer is allowed to jumpseat or not jumpseat can be settled by reading FOM 2.93 page 2-41.


Yepp. As I mentioned in Post #19 above, "Our FOM requires me to provide cockpit access to FAA Air Carrier Inspectors, Line Check Airmen conducting evaluations, and Fleet Check Airmen conducting QA observations." A First Officer TAA is not an FAA Air Carrier Inspectors, not a Line Check Airman and not a Fleet Check Airman.

He doesn't have to go -- that's settled.





Originally Posted by 3pointlanding (Post 1666808)

IOSA ... require[s] QA programs and data gathering.


Again, IOSA is an IATA program, and IATA is a Trade Association.

It has NO regulatory authority -- it cannot require boo.






Originally Posted by 3pointlanding (Post 1666808)

... the FAA require[s] QA programs and data gathering.


The FAA's SMS program includes ASAP, FOQA, LOSA, and FRMS. It does NOT include this QA program The Company is trying to cram down our throats.

Now, the FAA website is vast, and I have yet to explore it all. If you can find a reference that contradicts my assertion, one that shows us where the FAA is mandating this program, please share it with us.






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Gunter 06-19-2014 03:47 AM

I wonder how many people totally bought the recurrent slide show on QA?

QA does not equal LOSA. It doesn't matter how many times BM says it does.

He uses the term QA to describe other airlines LOSA programs. Then he slides in with HIS QA idea as a program equal to other airlines LOSA programs. I really don't think the FAA agrees.

Lately I've been hearing the rhetoric change, again. I think they're finally admitting it's not equal. This was especially true when QA inspectors only checked charters and sweet trips. Of course, managers didn't go to evil manager school to do DPs and tough night trips.

LOSA is so easy to do. The attitude regarding it shows us all how they feel about safety.

HKFlyr 06-19-2014 04:49 AM

You hit the nail on the head. The company gets every one in a captive form during RCT...so they get to put their "spin" on the program.

Union was slow to address it, and was told it was coming...like many of our issues they are slow to address. HOWEVER, it is a big issue and glad to see it being addressed in the message lines...but it needs to be addressed more to ensure the company "gets the message", we don't like it, don't buy your story...and "have a seat in the back".

DLax85 06-19-2014 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1667617)
...QA does not equal LOSA. It doesn't matter how many times BM says it does...

Big +1

....and to TonyC's well researched & well written posts on this topic

3pointlanding 06-19-2014 11:18 AM

The Safety Management System Manual will tell you all about it and yes QA is mentioned as a requirement to support SMS.

TonyC 06-19-2014 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by 3pointlanding (Post 1667939)

The Safety Management System Manual will tell you all about it and yes QA is mentioned as a requirement to support SMS.


Tssk, tssk.


Just to amuse you, I googled Safety Management System Manual, clicked on the first link, and searched for "QA". It said that QA and SMS are distinctly different programs.


Care to try again?

A link, please?


Ask a cubicle neighbor if you need help.






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Adlerdriver 06-19-2014 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1667948)
Ask a cubicle neighbor if you need help..

:D priceless.


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