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Old 01-27-2015, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by b707guy View Post
No "sale, lease, transfer", etc, took place. "...any other disposition..."? Legaleze and all... Additionally, ATI has had that particular aircraft on the certificate for many years, so the "upon acquisition" part kind of falls flat, too. I'm confident our IBT and ALPA lawyers are all over this. We'll have a solution in about 15 years.
15 years is optimistic!
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:11 PM
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Thscope violations continue Air Transport International Llc (8C) #587 ? 27-Jan-2015 ? KCVG - KPHL ? FlightAware

Like I said, I don't have any issue with ATI guys getting this work.

My concern is that it is a violation of the scope agreement between ABX pilot group, ABX and DHL.

Have you ever wondered why ATSG hasn't merged ATI and ABX yet? It makes sense that they should.

Hete obviously wants to do whatever it takes to avoid recalling ABX pilots until all the recall rights expire. Just look at the number of planes on the ABX certificate compared to the number of planes on the ATI certificate.

At this time, Hete is recalling to ATI while violating scope to avoid recalling ABX pilots. I think he is doing whatever he has to do to get by for another year so that he can start getting new hires at ABX. When that happens, I wouldn't be surprised if he will start moving assets from ATI to ABX and furlough all the guys he just recalled at ATI. In that scenario, Hete wins and everyone else loses.

I'm happy for the guys getting recalled to ATI but I think it will be only a short term situation.

That's why it's very important for the ABX EXCO to vigorously defend this scope issue.
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Old 01-27-2015, 03:17 PM
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What about this one? Air Transport International Llc (8C) #574 ? 27-Jan-2015 ? KCVG - KBNA ? FlightAware
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:12 AM
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My concern is that it is a violation of the scope agreement between ABX pilot group, ABX and DHL.

That's kind of funny! Scope means nothing to DHL.
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Old 01-28-2015, 10:53 AM
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Do you not know your own runs? ATI operates CVG-BNA-MEM outbound, along with MEM-CVG inbound, taking place every day except Monday morning, which operates CVG-MEM. Since you're asking, I presume ABX does BNA on the inbounds and the outbound on Monday mornings. Regardless, this run has been operated in this manner for a long time.

Muddy waters? Perhaps. Violation of ABX scope? Talk with DHL, as this is how they run this one. Personally, I'd just as soon NOT run through BNA. One leg to the hotel is fine by me!
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:11 AM
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Personally, I'd just as soon NOT run through BNA. One leg to the hotel is fine by me!
Yeah, you never have come to visit...

(Of course, maybe I need to go visit YOU in your winter digs with the weather we've had lately!)

As far as the SCOPE goes... It's very confusing. As a former ABX and former ATI guy I still have trouble figuring out what complies and what doesn't as cities are shuffled around and aircraft go in and out of heavy checks. It's almost as bad as deciding which side of the ISL fence a recall should come from!
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by blogwth View Post

Have you ever wondered why ATSG hasn't merged ATI and ABX yet? It makes sense that they should.

Hete obviously wants to do whatever it takes to avoid recalling ABX pilots until all the recall rights expire.
How would you envision a merger? ATI's Ops Specs allow us to do much more than ABX, particularly the Combi business, which cannot be transferred. Alternatively, ATI cannot easily pick up the intra-Asia flying agreement held by ABX. ATI's Ops Specs and Certificate would have to be the survivor in order for the merged company to do the Combi work. Some here have poo-poo'd the Combi work. Those who do can go right on thinking that it isn't very lucrative. It is. The intra-Asia flying? My guess is it'll begin to go by the way-side as China ramps up it's air services, as the plethora of job notifications would seem to indicate. It's in JH's best interest to keep both airlines separate.

Regarding recalls, ATI is recalling only to support a new run that has been in the works for a number of years. ATI has turned away so much work in the past two years because of not having enough crews that it is simply sad. Now ATI doesn't even have a dedicated sales department. Work that was supposed to come to us has been funneled off to ABX numerous times, as we have come to understand it. The tiny number of recalls has nothing to do with so-called extra flying in CVG. Under what ever agreement ATI is operating PHL this week, it is at our expense, not to our advantage.
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Old 01-28-2015, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry in TN View Post
Yeah, you never have come to visit...

(Of course, maybe I need to go visit YOU in your winter digs with the weather we've had lately!)

As far as the SCOPE goes... It's very confusing. As a former ABX and former ATI guy I still have trouble figuring out what complies and what doesn't as cities are shuffled around and aircraft go in and out of heavy checks. It's almost as bad as deciding which side of the ISL fence a recall should come from!
I hear ya, LiTN! And you're more than welcome to stop by (FL or NH!) whenever it suits you! Consider it a standing invite. Believe me, if BNA was a stop rather than a pass-through, I'd call if given the chance.
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