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Old 09-26-2016, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Screwed View Post
My thoughts are this.....I watched the video of the GMM and DW addressed this issue repeatedly. There are more open sections than just the duty day.

But EVEN IF it was just the duty day issue then I oppose a 24 hr duty day. I have been in ACMI for well over 20 yrs. 24 hours is too long. Period. This should not even be an issue. The FAA focked us when they allowed the cargo carve out.
I agree with a lot of your points regarding the industry. I must however take exception to you assumption that what you saw at that meeting was an accurate representation of the facts. Wells is technically correct is saying that there are many open items because the agreement in principle was presented as a take all or leave all proposal. The company accepted all items except the 20 hour day. (We presently have 30 hours for a double crew and 18 for a 3 man crew.)

I just cannot see us being released to strike of 1 issue that we did not even ask for. So, if it goes your way I will continue to work 30 hour duty days for 2/3 pay for the foreseeable future.

I see a compromise here with the company and the union, but it would only work if Wells decides to cooperate. The compromise is, that any scheduled trips, would fall under the 20 hour rule with no extensions allowed. Ad Hoc, or military trips, would be extendable to 24 hours. This would then be better than Atlas currently has regarding scheduled trips. In my opinion, if Wells balks at that I think that Decertification would be our only option.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:14 AM
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Screwed... Its highly unlikely that the NMB is going to proffer/release over hours of service. As has been pointed out ... there were several open items, the company agreed in principle to all but the hours of service section.. thus giving cover for CA Wells to say there is more open than just hours of service because the last proposal was all or nothing from 1224 at the insistence of the head of 1224. There are three ways this could go this week... the meetings result in sanity and a TA being signed off an offered to the pilots to accept or reject, the NMB could conceivably "park" us for 6 months, the proffer could be extended ... or they could do nothing... so actually 4 things. YES..the NMB could do nothing.
Lets all hope sanity reigns and some sort of agreement is reached.
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Old 09-26-2016, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by maxjet View Post

I see a compromise here with the company and the union, but it would only work if Wells decides to cooperate. The compromise is, that any scheduled trips, would fall under the 20 hour rule with no extensions allowed. Ad Hoc, or military trips, would be extendable to 24 hours. This would then be better than Atlas currently has regarding scheduled trips. In my opinion, if Wells balks at that I think that Decertification would be our only option.
I think there is room for compromise.

I assume by Ad Hoc you mean last minute charters.

Frankly, if your contract is settled I hope that many of the new hires coming to Atlas would then go to Kalitta.

If we can staff our flying......management is more likely to come to the table.
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Old 09-26-2016, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130 View Post
Screwed... Its highly unlikely that the NMB is going to proffer/release over hours of service. As has been pointed out ... there were several open items, the company agreed in principle to all but the hours of service section.. thus giving cover for CA Wells to say there is more open than just hours of service because the last proposal was all or nothing from 1224 at the insistence of the head of 1224. There are three ways this could go this week... the meetings result in sanity and a TA being signed off an offered to the pilots to accept or reject, the NMB could conceivably "park" us for 6 months, the proffer could be extended ... or they could do nothing... so actually 4 things. YES..the NMB could do nothing.
Lets all hope sanity reigns and some sort of agreement is reached.
Agreed!

But when has Connie done the sane thing?

He is as bad as Del (rot in Hell) Smith.
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Old 09-26-2016, 06:13 AM
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There has to be some sanity from the union to I fear. Atlas currently has 20...extendable to 22 how about 20....extendable to 24... sounds like a compromise to me....
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130 View Post
There has to be some sanity from the union to I fear. Atlas currently has 20...extendable to 22 how about 20....extendable to 24... sounds like a compromise to me....
Atlas Pilots can also be extended past day 17, we don't have that.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Code Red View Post
Atlas Pilots can also be extended past day 17, we don't have that.
It's also a deal breaker for the majority if not all K4 pilots.
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130 View Post
Screwed... Its highly unlikely that the NMB is going to proffer/release over hours of service. As has been pointed out ... there were several open items, the company agreed in principle to all but the hours of service section.. thus giving cover for CA Wells to say there is more open than just hours of service because the last proposal was all or nothing from 1224 at the insistence of the head of 1224. There are three ways this could go this week... the meetings result in sanity and a TA being signed off an offered to the pilots to accept or reject, the NMB could conceivably "park" us for 6 months, the proffer could be extended ... or they could do nothing... so actually 4 things. YES..the NMB could do nothing.
Lets all hope sanity reigns and some sort of agreement is reached.
If they park us or do nothing, it will get ugly. The CP has stated that we are staffed for 6 aircraft. That's less than half the total fleet with the Christmas peak just around the corner. The overtime *****s are close to timing out. There's a reason Allegiant and Republic got TAs. Not because they got released, because it was affecting the companies bottom line.
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Old 09-26-2016, 11:07 AM
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I really like it when people call Connie " a businessman "
Connie and his little nephew are nothing short of modern day slave drivers.

The real mid seniority captain hourly rate at little Kalitta ( aka K2) is less than 12.00 and that of a first officer about 10.00

(working rotations of 16 days , 24 hours a day and your 1 in 7 could very well be on the road) and the cherry on this cake ? at times working 32 days straight followed by 12 days off at no additional compensation .
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Old 09-26-2016, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lionflyer View Post
It's also a deal breaker for the majority if not all K4 pilots.
^^^^^^^^ this......much more so than the "hours of service" dispute
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