jetset

Whale or PolarBear-

What about the arbitrated seniority list that just came out a couple of months ago? Did this get thrown out, or will it stand?

Also, what are the rumors coming from the MIA crew meeting?

Whalefr8

Polar Bear must mean "Scheduled Route Authorities" and even then he is partially wrong. Atlas has route authorities all over the world and in virtually every country including some scheduled into Germany. The Brazillian scheduled rights were Atlas' until AAWW shut down Polar's 4 in favor of letting Polar fly Atlas' 10 slots.

This is simply untrue. Atlas has not tried to call off the merger - they have just said that all pilots will be Atlas pilots which was a switch from an earlier position. And the merger is still on and still going forward.

AAWW got rid of the last three Polar classics and took back the 3 that they were allowing Polar to use for free. Atlas did not just start flying those routes, they have been doing so for years. And flght time-wise it is really only an aircraft and a half worth of routes. They do not fly (are cancelled) if there is not a pre-positioning charter on the front side as the loads ex-US are too small to be profitable.

One would hope that winning the battles does not mean losing the war.

Polar Bear is misinformed here too. DHL bought 49% of a company known as Polar World Wide which really has nothing to do with Polar. AAWW still owns Polar Air Cargo and will continue to own 100% of it. As the deal seems to be structured Polar World Wide will not have any pilots at all. All the pilots to fly the aircraft assigned to Polar World Wide will come from the Atlas list which will be made up of the Atlas and Polar pilots IAW the merger agreement in place.

f10a

Is Denise Cambone still in charge of pilot hiring?

GIANT PILOT

She's still there, but there are furloughs planned for later this year, due to the fleet renewal program. Atlas will start phasing out the classic aircraft, and is scheduled to receive 6 747-8 in 2010 and 6 more in 2011. So it looks like we will shrink, before we start to grow again.

Whaledriver

The list stands as is, but will not be activated until a combined contract is in place.

On the MIA meeting, I've heard from a guy, that got info second hand. Let's see if someone posts info that was there. No sense in getting people riled up and/or worried for nothing.

Whalefr8

From the MIA meeting:

Looks like Polar will be getting Atlas N355MC. All Polar pilots recalled with back pay. Dunno how they will all stay qualified with only one airplane though. Atlas will no longer be performing alliance flying (the "four" aircraft that PB was talking about) - as I said win the battle; lose the war.

Atlas will have some furloughs. The company said the furlough is not related to the Polar arbitration award and is more related to their desire to get completely out of -200 airframes. They will park 2 or 3 Classics by August of 2007. -8's start arriving in 2010.

Estimated completion date for the merger that some think is going away is January or February 2008.

Polar Bear is right on one thing tho - it is the worst Goat-rope I have ever seen. And pretty much anyone who works at either airline knows who the head goat-roper is.

Whaledriver

I think the answer to this question is in the fact that Atlas will no longer be flying Alliance flying, meaning that Polar will then be free to furlough again.