FDX- Council 7 Message 10/6/14
10-07-2014, 12:54 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Gunter
DR represents a block just like you describe and he says NO. Voting to help a selfish few while hoping the rest of the MEC saves the farm is not the right way to go, IMHO
The more I hear about DR, the more I like him ...
10-07-2014, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Doogs
I'm not suggesting that 25¢ on the dollar is acceptable, but even that is far more valuable to the surviving dependents of a guy who drops dead before he retires.
An A plan is a promise. A B plan is money.
Think seriously about the tradeoffs.
An A plan is a promise. A B plan is money.
Think seriously about the tradeoffs.
10-07-2014, 01:01 PM
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[QUOTE=frozenboxhauler;1741501]
I have been informed by a very knowledgable and reliable source that it was "our" Negotiating Chairman who proposed the freezing of our "A" plan while increasing the "B" plan to the Company's side of the table.
Looks like your unnamed source was neither knowledgable nor reliable as numerous Union sources have dispelled this ugly rumor and attack on our unity.
I have been informed by a very knowledgable and reliable source that it was "our" Negotiating Chairman who proposed the freezing of our "A" plan while increasing the "B" plan to the Company's side of the table.
Looks like your unnamed source was neither knowledgable nor reliable as numerous Union sources have dispelled this ugly rumor and attack on our unity.
10-07-2014, 01:46 PM
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From what I have heard from several block reps is that it is true, and that they had a conference call to vote on a consensus. Once they had arrived at the consensus, they put out the comm. The vote was closer than you would think.
A call to your rep will confirm this (unless your rep was one of those in favor of the changes).
A call to your rep will confirm this (unless your rep was one of those in favor of the changes).
10-07-2014, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
When the poster is a NM it's tough for him to get the inside scoop.
Why he posts is a mystery. I ain't listening.
10-07-2014, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper
Sorry Doogs I'm calling BS on that one, you guys have both an A and B plan. Why give up any of it. If anything, just improve the B plan, you should be taking any concessions of any form especially with a company that's posting hughe profits, stock at record high and buying back stocks. If you take concessions when they're up, what are you going to give if they're down
There is a point where an improved B plan outweighs our current A plan. It doesn't sound like an offer is on the table (it probably isn't even likely) but to suggest that there is no possibility of a B plan being an improvement over our current system is obtuse.
10-07-2014, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
I highly suggest that if you are in Representative Blocks; 4,5,6,11,14 and 100 you contact your Representative and ask where he stands on this issue.
He also couldn't bring himself to answer my questions via e-mail, so I had to call him. He thinks there might be a way to freeze the A-plan and replace it with a better retirement vehicle, so he couldn't say "No" to any freeze of the A-plan.
Our Block Reps don't need to be R&I experts, but anybody representing us should at least know that you cannot freeze our A-plan and replace it's value in any combination of B-plan vehicles.
If the Company's proposal was to lower our pay rates by 50%, I think he would have to contemplate the repercussions before saying No. The Company must be enjoying this game, like a cat playing with a dying mouse.
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10-07-2014, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
I e-mailed mine, Block 4, the guy who could not bring himself to sign the above letter from Council 7. Unity by example.
He also couldn't bring himself to answer my questions via e-mail, so I had to call him. He thinks there might be a way to freeze the A-plan and replace it with a better retirement vehicle, so he couldn't say "No" to any freeze of the A-plan.
Our Block Reps don't need to be R&I experts, but anybody representing us should at least know that you cannot freeze our A-plan and replace it's value in any combination of B-plan vehicles.
If the Company's proposal was to lower our pay rates by 50%, I think he would have to contemplate the repercussions before saying No. The Company must be enjoying this game, like a cat playing with a dying mouse.
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He also couldn't bring himself to answer my questions via e-mail, so I had to call him. He thinks there might be a way to freeze the A-plan and replace it with a better retirement vehicle, so he couldn't say "No" to any freeze of the A-plan.
Our Block Reps don't need to be R&I experts, but anybody representing us should at least know that you cannot freeze our A-plan and replace it's value in any combination of B-plan vehicles.
If the Company's proposal was to lower our pay rates by 50%, I think he would have to contemplate the repercussions before saying No. The Company must be enjoying this game, like a cat playing with a dying mouse.
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10-07-2014, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
I e-mailed mine, Block 4, ... He thinks there might be a way to freeze the A-plan and replace it with a better retirement vehicle, so he couldn't say "No" to any freeze of the A-plan..
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