CMV1 Training Month Move (FX)
 

I am sure this addressed in the contract, but I can't find it. I am scheduled for CMV1 in December, but I received a Crew Notification it is going to be in November. Can they move it like that without my input?

There are a couple of impacts to the unexpected move; less preparation time, availability of the 30 day practice sim, and to be honest, December scheduling flexibility.

Does anyone know a contract reference to this?

I received the same message, and had the same question.

I also received the notification and I can't find a reference in the contract. I would like to keep it in December as planned.

Sounds like they did it in your pre-month. If you're an MD pilot, one of the sims is down til Apr so maybe that's why. Having training in Dec can be a good deal if you have an R line.

Having the sniffles in November will take care of that.

I'd always thought AQP was very strict in when training could be done: your due month or the one after. Anyone have more knowledge of our AQP standards and what has been approved by the FAA? Wonder if they're good with it?

Knightflyer, please explain. The Dec and R line part. Thanks.

Drop training over a string of R days and the R days go away. You can make up the hours (or not) in CIC makeup. This is a way even a junior guy can sometimes get some decent trips a couple times a year.

Thanks Albie. Do a search on here; others have explained it better than I can.

So when would you be due next year?

Ive done a couple of grace month sims and it doesnt move the date. Not sure a month early would either. BTW a grace month sim is also a good scheduling tool. Knocks out a trip and sub for any uncovered days.

Your due month doesn't change. They are just giving you your training the month before it is due.

I called the bus sim scheduler and she said they'd moved a large number of people from their due month into November, because of peak. I don't think there is anything in the contract that stops this from happening.:(

Cause we're over manned... Yep

I was told it was due to "staffing"

Whale

Looks like they're proactively bracing themselves for peak, while simultaneously dragging their feet at the negotiations table

Hmmmm....

Perhaps, they're concerned Vacation Buy Backs and Advanced Volunteer won't be sufficient

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DLax

Bingo! They don't expect a contract by Peak!

So let me sum this up:

There is no contractual reference to the company moving one's training bid a month early. In my experience, that means we are screwed if we'd like it moved back to its original month. This is because the company, knowing a contract isn't going to be done by Peak (big surprise), is bracing for an apparent manning issue (even though we are "overmanned.")

In return, I lose a month of preparation. Instead of having seven weeks to prepare, I may have to train in three weeks. I also lose any scheduling flexibility I had during the holidays with training. As well, I lose any flexibility in November I may have been hoping for being pretty Junior in my seat, and can expect to train on a November day I was hoping to have off.

Awesome!

I finally spoke with my manager after three emails went unanswered. The answer was I could not have my training moved back to December because the company is preparing for peak and needs all available pilots. And, moving training to November was an upper management decision.

Awesome!

...the company is preparing for peak and needs all available pilots...

What other decisions is upper management making...or choosing to not make?

Think Gentleman - Think!

Once again, they have clearly communicated to the pilots what is working towards speeding up negotiations. I wonder how many will understand and be energized to redouble their efforts?

Wet lease?
 

The Contract permits wet leasing during peak. I wonder how long until we see them? Will they lease extra planes/crews this year?

Maybe it's me, but it seems like it would be easier (cheaper?) to negotiate a Contract with us?


:eek:

So why doesn't the company let you move into your grace month? If your training is in Dec., wouldn't moving your training to Jan. have the same effect as moving it to Nov. as far peak is concerned? Far be it from me to apply reason and logic to this situation.

A quote from a scheduler: "It's better to be proactive rather than reactive."

If you have something happen and don't get it in the grace month, you go NOQ. If it happens in the month prior to your normal training month, you still have another 2 months to get it. Not saying I agree with them moving it, but that would be a reason to move it early instead of late.