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Old 10-14-2014, 09:06 AM   #1  
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When the R24 penalty lines carryover into December what does the carry over portion pay? Contract says carry in paid at widebody. And can you drop R24 and get paid make up at widebody. Contract says so but I have been surprised before. Yes I know assuming I can drop.
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I know the make up pays widebody. I lost a couple R24 days for vacation buffer this month and made up a day at that rate.
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Everything in the month pays WB rate. Anything outside of that month pays NB. Carry in at WB rate. Carry out pays at normal rate.
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Just saw this in SIG Notes:

Does this mean they can involuntary convert one of these R24 lines?

Could one find themselves flying over Thanksgiving even though they held a R24 line that didn't touch Thanksgiving?

Are these involuntary reserve conversions done in Reverse Seniority order?

And is that seniority honored across all types of reserve - A, B, R24 etc?

From SIG Notes....

Reserve Conversion: We have received reports that several pilots have had their awarded reserve line involuntarily converted to a secondary line.

Reserve line holders should make themselves familiar with CBA Section 25.D.4 regarding Conversion Lines.

Specifically of note is paragraph c regarding voluntary conversions:
Regardless of your “voluntary” conversion request, if there are trips remaining in open time that operate over New Year’s Eve and Day, Thanksgiving or Christmas Eve and Day.

(CBA 25.D.4.e.1.b) the Company may involuntarily assign you a conversion line.

“If a pilot submits a line construction worksheet that identifies certain days off to be protected, his reserve line shall not be voluntarily converted unless those days off are protected.”
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They have that covered anyways 99% of the reserve lines touch turkey day anyways.
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A catch to the involuntary conversion, is they can't do that per CBA in a month you have vacation.
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What if you use training to knock out an entire month of widebody R24? Are the trips that you pick up in the conflict window still widebody pay?

Has anyone had any experience with this?
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What if you use training to knock out an entire month of widebody R24? Are the trips that you pick up in the conflict window still widebody pay?

Has anyone had any experience with this?
Read post #3! Anything you are paid for in that month is at WB rates!
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When do they involuntary convert the r lines? If I'm planning on dropping my R-24 with training, is there a chance I will get to makeup the R days with CIC?
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Just saw this in SIG Notes:

Does this mean they can involuntary convert one of these R24 lines?

Could one find themselves flying over Thanksgiving even though they held a R24 line that didn't touch Thanksgiving?

Are these involuntary reserve conversions done in Reverse Seniority order?

And is that seniority honored across all types of reserve - A, B, R24 etc?

From SIG Notes....

Reserve Conversion: We have received reports that several pilots have had their awarded reserve line involuntarily converted to a secondary line.

Reserve line holders should make themselves familiar with CBA Section 25.D.4 regarding Conversion Lines.

Specifically of note is paragraph c regarding voluntary conversions:
Regardless of your “voluntary” conversion request, if there are trips remaining in open time that operate over New Year’s Eve and Day, Thanksgiving or Christmas Eve and Day.

(CBA 25.D.4.e.1.b) the Company may involuntarily assign you a conversion line.

“If a pilot submits a line construction worksheet that identifies certain days off to be protected, his reserve line shall not be voluntarily converted unless those days off are protected.”
That's a lot of great questions....the way I read it, the only way to guarantee days off is to volunteer to have your line converted!

And no where does it say they have to do this in inverse seniority amongst ALL reserve lines. So could they convert ONLY r24 lines in inverse seniority, forcing guys who bid reserve with Holidays off into working Holidays? Has anyone ever been involuntarily converted? I've never seen or heard of it, and I've been doing reserve for a while.
When does it happen, after the VTO's I assume? Now I'm torn, do I volunteer to convert just to preserve my 5 day weekend over the Holiday? Thoughts?
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