FDX - Crickets
 

1+ hours and absolutely zero trips processed in WB FO Opentime. This is ridiculous and MUST be changed in the next contract.

MY MEC NEEDS TO HEAR THIS LOUD AND CLEAR -

NO REAL TIME TRIP TRADING = NO VOTE!

There is more to life than hourly rate, its called QUALITY OF LIFE!

Hey Mister Nobody....it sucks, but it's probably irrelevant. They're just going to auto deny you anyways.

It's December coming early.

WB capt, Took 2 hrs to process my requests. One drop denied for insufficient reserves with 0 trips on the date and tried to pick up a trip on same dates that was assigned to a reserve. Go figure.

They processed the pick up of DPs in the 757 pretty fast.

Yep, Sad on two levels

It's a mix of senior & junior Capts

With at least one known DP recidivist

Capts need to be talking to Capts

MD-11 Capt, waited two hours to get my 3 drop request denied for insufficient reserves. Two of them had max open of 19 or 20 and 1 trip on there. I guess I'll keep submitting them and hopefully get them dropped.

Wonder how CRS would explain that one? System is on autodeny?

Might you call them and ask for an explanation? We would love to hear it. I'd like to hear an explanation for my rejections, but I just can't stand to call them unless I have no other choice.

Email the System Chief Pilot

Tell him you will share his response publicly

He claims he will answer any question

Let's see

How about a POR. They have to be answered.

Let's see, I'm guessing the POR response would be that they don't address scheduling issues, and you won't get a response from the SCP.

Either way, you may get the more accurate answer from CRS. I just can't bring myself to call them. Can someone else, who got a bogus denial?

I just called CRS since the ANC FO requests from 2+45 ago are still pending.
Apparently, they are all swamped trying to Draft for MEM MD-11 FOs. Not sure when they will get to processing requests.

I suggest everyone call CRS and ask them "How's it Goin?" They will probably process the stuff quickly if the phone keeps ringing during their DRAFT attempts.

Riddle me this Batman. Only one trade on the 757 has been processed in the last 2 hours. The trip I was trying to pick up was awarded to someone else. His original trip posted in open time. This should have triggered a disapproved earlier time stamp notification. Methinks this FO has some type of inside track. Why is he the only guy that had a trade request processed?

Could be swamped trying to draft for 75 CA. Still two trips for tonight not filled. Had to give a third one to RSV hotel stby

The problem is that some people ARE getting their requests answered and granted. It is my guess is that they have a PMU code. The longer a trip sits in Open Time the better chance someone with a PMU code has to get the trip vice a normal trip trade request. If CRS cannot process requests in a timely manner, anything less than a couple of minutes, then the PMU system becomes unfair for the "general population" pilots that are trying to improve their QOL through trip trades.

For instance, I attempted to trade for four trips that were in OT at the opening bell. All four trips have been assigned and I still have not received a denial message. It has been 3 hours since I placed my trip trade requests. Or, worse case scenario, I am completely wrong and these individuals do not have PMU codes. Instead they are gaming the system. Which in that case I say shame on you all for F'ing your brothers and sisters.

Both instances SCREAM for REAL TIME TRIP TRADING!

Forget this frustration I'm going to bed.

12 MEM 11FO trips still not filled for tonight.

I think it's likely that it's PMU. They do tend to process those requests immediately. I don't think you can game the system otherwise as far as getting your makeup requests processed earlier, it's all in time stamp sequence.

I wonder if they have every single scheduler calling MD-11 FO's for draft? Kind of a problem when you run out of reserves at the end of the month. I can't even guess how difficult it will be at the end of Nov and Dec.

Looks like they are starting to turn the MD-11 trips into Airbus trips, filling them with reserves. Maybe that will start to get scheduling moving to process the trades.

Me thinks this is being done on purpose as if they were "instructed" to ignore! I'm at 6 hours and 26 minutes and still waiting.......

The total bid line adjustment system is broke and no one cares to fix this . Every month , folks are in a dither over lost hours waiting for bid line adjustments , lots of belly aching and complaining ........ File the POR , direct complaints to the Union and Company........

I'm not really a fan of the PMU concept and have never had the option. That said, isn't the whole point of PMU being accomplished if those folks with PMU are getting the trips ahead of the "general population"? How are you seeing that as "unfair"? It sounds like you want CRS to process trips so quickly that pilots with PMU find that option essentially useless and the whole thing reverts to first come-first served. Then the PMU people would be crying "unfair".

IMO, once general trip trading is open, it should be first come-first served and it obviously needs to be real time. Let the PMU folks cherry pick prior to that. Until that happens, I really don't think you have much of a leg to stand on.

I think there are people complaining that PMU time can "recycled" and kept as an advantage tool longer than contract intent.

Your earlier time stamp notification gets triggered when YOUR trip request is processed. The fact that his was processed and his old trip showed up in OT has nothing to do with your request still waiting in the cue (it should - but that would make too much sense). It's certainly possible that his request was far enough ahead on the list that it got processed, then the scheduler went off to smoke a pack of luckys and read War and Peace and just hadn't gotten to yours yet.

Schedulers processing these requests is a joke. I had a request in for about an hour a few days ago. So, it's not a high volume period, the month is winding down. Plus, it's ANC - OT is glacial there - hardly any trades, minimal activity or changes. After an hour, I call the guy and asked him to process it. He starts to tell me he has some stuff to do and he'll get to it in about 10 minutes. Then he changes his mind and does it with me on the phone. Once he started to do it, the whole event took about 15 seconds. He looked at the list of requests (there was ONE - mine). I'm guessing he clicked on it and said "Process" or whatever. I got the notification 5 seconds later. Done.

I'm kicking myself now. I should have said something like: "Wow, that was quick. How come that same process will take 6 hours this Thursday night?":rolleyes:

I think PMU is locked out the first 12 hours of open time being open for the month. Not sure.

Then Riddle me this. Why is it that I have had many other trades process, but I still have not received a disapproved notification for the pick up I was trying to get?

this is not true

VTO's
 

From my perspective they're not even interested in granting the simplest VTO request, commutability.

6 hrs and 31 mins to process a request that was submitted the second Open Time was released

And still denied for Insufficient Reserves with 22 in Max Open and 1 trip in Open Time

This is not remotely similar to
"past practice"

Who thinks they are treating the crew force with honesty and transparency ?

Gentleman, it really is time to think hard, about how you're being treated

Much like in sports, one cannot control the actions of the referee or your opponent -- however, one is in full control of how one reacts.

How are you and your teammates going to react?

The clock is ticking

Fly professionally - Fly safely - Fly well rested!

Sounds like some kind of glitch. Does it show that it was processed? You can check that status of that request by clicking "trip trade inquiry" under the bid line adjustment menu.

they've already put the ASBY and HSBY in open time for the month. This affects Max open time. But I can't believe there would be 11 ASBY on your trip trade request day

I believe you have to look at the entire footprint of the trip, not just the day it begins.

Looks like they have the auto reject feature turned off now. People trying to trade/drop might have some luck.

Correct, I was just stating that many people say there were only one or two trips in OT but max open was big. But the stbys count as trips also. Unless you mark the box to see stbys, you don't realize there might be more "trips" in OT that day.