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whalesurfer 12-10-2014 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by c5pilot11 (Post 1780568)
I guess the grass is always greener, however, I just thought that the possibility of getting hired at UPS is better than waiting for 6-12 months for a major to call.

6-12 months for a major to call? Dang, you must have good connections everywhere. I know former military folks who've been flying for the regionals for the last 4 years still waiting for the majors to call. Hope you're right.

Do NOT compare management jobs at other airlines and even the military to the setup we have at brown. Distrust and even hate are the only terms I can think of when it comes to the relationship between the two. ..and I actually like it here. lol

Your relative is a box head (non-airline) and things are a little different there so he/she probably won't truly understand the toxic relationship we have.

Anc74 12-10-2014 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by c5pilot11 (Post 1780568)
Anc74, So your saying that the turnover at UPS is fairly slow compared to the Majors? The seniority issue can be a problem for QOL. However, I was told that UPS compared to the majors is roughly $3M difference in retirement benefits in the long-term. I guess the grass is always greener, however, I just thought that the possibility of getting hired at UPS is better than waiting for 6-12 months for a major to call.

That's correct. We have very few retirements per year, compared to the thousands retiring from the major airlines. 40-50 a year retire here for the foreseeable future. No movement, and being junior here is about as bad as it gets anywhere..we do have a very solid union (IPA).

Also, always keep two things in mind with this place-1) they HATE you, and 2) it is not an airline, but a trucking company.

Commando 12-12-2014 05:46 AM

40-50 a year? This upcoming year of 2015, the mandatory retirements is in the Mid Twenty's. 26-28? Mandatory. Which is the only number which is solid. Most Majors and FDX have 20 a Month!! UPS is a Very, Very, Very young airline. Started in 1988. Not 1938. With Zero Aircraft Orders. Zero New Gateways on the Horizon. 40 New Pilots Hired in the Last 7 years should tell you the growth and QOL here.

Enough Said.

Shaggy1970 12-12-2014 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1781642)
40-50 a year? This upcoming year of 2015, the mandatory retirements is in the Mid Twenty's. 26-28? Mandatory. Which is the only number which is solid. Most Majors and FDX have 20 a Month!! UPS is a Very, Very, Very young airline. Started in 1988. Not 1938. With Zero Aircraft Orders. Zero New Gateways on the Horizon. 40 New Pilots Hired in the Last 7 years should tell you the growth and QOL here.

Enough Said.

I count 21.

Anc74 12-12-2014 07:17 AM

I stand corrected. 21 retirements next year.

No aircraft orders, no new routes, no hiring except to cover the 21 retirements.

Anybody applying here needs their head examined.

Full pull 12-12-2014 08:55 AM

Or they just might need a job.

Anc74 12-12-2014 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1781793)
Or they just might need a job.

I don't even think UPS is hiring except for nurps, but pretty much all the other airlines are.

brownie 12-12-2014 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Anc74 (Post 1780587)
That's correct. We have very few retirements per year, compared to the thousands retiring from the major airlines. 40-50 a year retire here for the foreseeable future. No movement, and being junior here is about as bad as it gets anywhere..we do have a very solid union (IPA).

Also, always keep two things in mind with this place-1) they HATE you, and 2) it is not an airline, but a trucking company.

And 3) EXPECTATION ZERO

Shaggy1970 12-12-2014 09:31 AM

Anyone know know how many NURPS have been hired since the last IPA class in 07? I betting almost as many as the 40 hired to the line this year. This has to get fixed.

Commando 12-12-2014 02:52 PM

Wow! Stop the Press! Vacancy Bid for the Spring 2015! 7 Captain Vacancies!!!!


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