Mod Note:

C'mon kids, the OP asked 2 simple questions, not another long discourse about the state of disgruntlement at UPS. Carry on via PM to each other, if you'd like. Happy New Year.

Actually, I don't hang with any crowd. UPS types aren't my thing if you catch my drift....I'm stuck with them on layovers but that's about it. Especially those mid-90's "I got nowhere else to be hired at" types....wink wink.

As for getting another job. I hardly need someone like you to tell me that.

What else you got to enlighten me with, Curley?

Most of the guys that couldn't get hired anywhere else love using that line about how they smarted out and "chose" UPS over the pax airlines. UPS might have done better post-9/11 but that's changing..quickly!!

We're probably 3-5 years away from being bottom feeders in the wide-body scheduled 121 market...again.

And I believe we dutifully answered the OP's question. What else you want?

And the public display of said "disgruntlenession" might end up helping someone from making the mistake of joining this company...ya ever thought of that???

Don't worry, whaledrivr is a mid 90s hire. Probably only took 8 years to upgrade/bypass.

Very similar to the 8 year sitting reserve in ANC/base line everywhere else and 18 year upgrade.

As far as j/s, the crews should take very good care of you.

Wow, what a joke!

Worked under 10 days in December?? You are either full of crap, or left some thing out of this pathetic post.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Unless it's in the MD-11...where he would be announced dead on arrival from guys selecting the arctic mode for the back...

TOO many of our own brag about not working because they sit reserve and do not get called every day.

If they were called every day, it wouldn't be reserve duty ... DUH.

Its a salaried position to be available to the company with 1.5-2 hours notice. It is not a paid vacation.

UPSpilott....

We get it. You hate UPS. You're miserable and you want to spare the world of your misery. Message received loud and clear. Anyone that disagrees with you is an idiot....

I can't imagine you're married or have kids, but if you do....wow!, do I feel sorry for them!

Here's an excerpt of article about a type of personality disorder. Maybe it applies to someone you know.


Some people make life miserable for others. They blame you for their own problems, have no empathy, and always seem to be conjuring up trouble. A subset of them are called "high conflict people," and they often have some kind of personality disorder--usually borderline or narcissistic personality disorder. Some high-conflict people (HCP) have some maladaptive personality traits, but not enough to have a full-blown personality disorder.

HCPs have a life-long personality pattern of distorted thoughts, emotions, and actions. Time after time, they avoid taking responsibility for their problems. They repeatedly argue against feedback, regardless of how helpful and truthful it may be. And over and over again, they try to persuade others to agree with their rigid points of view and help them attack their targets of blame.

High-conflict people consider themselves as an injured party; a victim, even, of the shortcomings of others. The issues may come and go, but their personality traits keep them in conflict. They never learn from their experiences. The cliché “He would cut off his own nose to spite his face” was written for them, especially in legal disputes

HCPs are prone to the following thoughts, feelings, and actions:

They split, or engage in all-or-nothing thinking

Their negative feelings shape their reality (“feelings equal facts”)

For the most part, their emotions are intense and fluctuate rapidly

They have difficulty empathizing with others

They have a hard time accepting and healing from a loss

Their behaviors are extreme, in keeping with their distorted thoughts and feelings

They’re preoccupied with blaming others and don’t take responsibility for their actions

HCPs live in a black and white world. They may not analyze situations, hear different points of view, or consider possible solutions. Things must be their way, and they’re not willing to be flexible or compromise because it feels like everything is at stake. This especially comes out during divorce proceedings.

They base their view of themselves, situations, and others on what they’re feeling at that moment rather than objective reality. This appears irrational to those around them, who are baffled by the HCP’s raging, blaming, or self-destructive actions.

People with BPD are too self-involved, and people with NPD see others as chess pieces on the black and white chessboard of their life.

They have a hard time accepting and healing from a loss

According to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, people facing huge losses go through the following stages of the grieving process:

1) Denial

2) Anger

3) Bargaining

4) Depression

5) Acceptance

High conflict people seem stuck in the anger stage.