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1800 RVR 01-17-2007 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by Jetjok (Post 103890)
Isn't it funny how we can badmouth OUR company and that's ok, but just let someone from another airline diss OUR company and we're ready to crawl all over them.

Pax charters! Zap Mail! Nobody's perfect, except Salma Hayek!:D :)

No one meant any disrespect toward Big Brown.
I personally didn't take it as a slam, I just really didn't understand the comment. Maybe my "funny" wasn't working last night... ;)

130JDrvr 01-17-2007 12:11 PM
Thought he might have been referring to DHL and typed UPS instead... i.e. DHL's hit over in the desert....

Past...

Soyathink 01-17-2007 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by Nitefrater (Post 103746)
UPS has a long tradition of following FedEx innovations. FedEx following UPS lead? Uhhhhh... not so much.

Ocassionally, very ocassionally, UPS does try something FedEx has declined (can you say pax charters?)
UPS didn't follow Fed Ex DC-8 70 series, the 727 QF (Dee Howard RR Tay conversion), 767, and 757.Fed Ex followed UPS with the 757. UPS dropped the 727-200 like it was hot instead of "following Fed Ex" UPS never followed Fed EX in the Falcon,DC-10, MD-10, and A310. UPS followed in the MD-11 and the A300. UPS did follow Fed Ex in using company owned and operated aircraft. Fed Ex followed UPS with air service since UPS offered it before Fed EX was even thought of. Almost forgot what about Fed Ex Ground. That was an innovation that UPS followed Fed Ex too :rolleyes:

Soyathink 01-17-2007 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by GEOFFREY (Post 103914)
Actually, UPS was not losing money on the PAX Charters. We just felt that the potential liability risk was too great when measured against the small amount of profit we were making. On the other hand, ZAP mail was a real money loser.

It was ended because the vacation charter companies such as Apple were going to switch to A319, A320's. UPS couldn't compete against a more efficient two crew twin jet with a 3 hole, 3 crew classic without purchasing a twin jet. So it took the profit made and ended the service.

OrionFE 01-17-2007 10:41 PM
Originally Posted by GEOFFREY (Post 103914)
Actually, UPS was not losing money on the PAX Charters. We just felt that the potential liability risk was too great when measured against the small amount of profit we were making. On the other hand, ZAP mail was a real money loser.
And you were involved in these discussions/decisions?

GBU-24 01-18-2007 11:27 AM
Who is going to be the first crew to get shot at by real man pads? Do you prefer SA-9s? 14? 16? Do you feel lucky?

Check 6 01-18-2007 11:34 AM
And are ManPads the real threat???

What about all the unscreened packages/cargo...?

Jetjok 01-18-2007 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Soyathink (Post 104020)
It was ended because the vacation charter companies such as Apple were going to switch to A319, A320's. UPS couldn't compete against a more efficient two crew twin jet with a 3 hole, 3 crew classic without purchasing a twin jet. So it took the profit made and ended the service.
I thought it was ended because at the time UPS had barely the right amount of lift for their business, and if one of these passenger-carrying/freighter planes went DNIF, they would have to contract for the lift lost. Didn't they remove the seat pallets to use the jets as freighters during their normal freight flying, then on weekends, load the people pallets and use them for charter? There's no way they could have made as much money lugging people around as they could freight. That's why it went away, otherwise, if they could, it would be called American or United, or US Air, or... well you get the idea.

MD11Fr8Dog 01-18-2007 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Check 6 (Post 104473)
And are ManPads the real threat???
I thought ManPads were what they want to require Foxhunter and the over 60s guys to wear, if they let them fly past age 60, to keep from getting the seats wet!:rolleyes:

CaptainMark 01-18-2007 06:44 PM
ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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