FDX MEC officer election call for change
#13
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I'm not in the inner circles so I don't know the gossip of the Union personalities. Being in mediation, isn't it the mediator who sets the pace. This whole thing is a process, and it looks to me like we are at the end of the process. I think we've come a long way and thank the guys that have helped get us here. If we, the union membership, had enjoyed our contractual days off this process would of concluded a long time ago.
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I'm not in the inner circles so I don't know the gossip of the Union personalities. Being in mediation, isn't it the mediator who sets the pace. This whole thing is a process, and it looks to me like we are at the end of the process. I think we've come a long way and thank the guys that have helped get us here. If we, the union membership, had enjoyed our contractual days off this process would of concluded a long time ago.
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I'm not in the inner circles so I don't know the gossip of the Union personalities. Being in mediation, isn't it the mediator who sets the pace. This whole thing is a process, and it looks to me like we are at the end of the process. I think we've come a long way and thank the guys that have helped get us here. If we, the union membership, had enjoyed our contractual days off this process would of concluded a long time ago.
F an A on that. It is pathetic. Just like 4a2b. It sucks knowing, that in the big picture view, our ALPA bro's (and non-member pr...s) are in reality our enemies. Pretty harsh, but IMO the truth.
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I'm not in the inner circles so I don't know the gossip of the Union personalities. Being in mediation, isn't it the mediator who sets the pace. This whole thing is a process, and it looks to me like we are at the end of the process. I think we've come a long way and thank the guys that have helped get us here. If we, the union membership, had enjoyed our contractual days off this process would of concluded a long time ago.
#18
For those of you that think that a change in the front office is some how going to get us a contract, you are fooling yourselves. The company could give a rats ass on who is sitting in the front office because they look right through them to us. As some guys here already pointed out, if we want a contract, the pilots will have to be the ones that get it, period! ( if you don't know what I mean by that, then you're beyond help)
If you have been here long enough, you know that we have tried both methods of negotiating and we got the same results. I also have come to the conclusion that not doing the 2 year extension would have been a mistake. The reason I say that is that in my opinion, we still wouldn't have a contract and we would be down 6% in pay. Although going forward, I would not be in favor of an extension again, because it's obvious to us all now that the company is not interested in a business relationship with us. YMMV
If you have been here long enough, you know that we have tried both methods of negotiating and we got the same results. I also have come to the conclusion that not doing the 2 year extension would have been a mistake. The reason I say that is that in my opinion, we still wouldn't have a contract and we would be down 6% in pay. Although going forward, I would not be in favor of an extension again, because it's obvious to us all now that the company is not interested in a business relationship with us. YMMV
#19
We would not have a crack at the current industry rates until 2019-2020 because we would be stuck at just over a 300 max rate by the end of what would of been a 2013ish CBA and now we can settle a deal that puts us at or above any rates of the industry leaders. DAL will surpass AA by the end of July and set the new bar. We are at the perfect time and place, if you ask me, every factor that could be in our favor, is in our favor. Run a simple pay rate assumption from the 2 year CBA with a new deal in the next few months against one from a theoretical CBA that resembles what we would of signed in about 2013 and you will see that we are not behind and have enjoyed the higher rates of the 2011 deal in the meantime, lowering pressure on retro pay.
The MEC Officers should be a non factor in closing this out, unless our MEC is stupid enough to change the players and the game now. If the MEC does that next week and gives our mediator and the Company an excuse to further delay, then shame on us. The Company has ran out of excuses and labor peace so let's not trip heading over the finish line, please.
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Q: Would you rather we settled a "traditional" 4-5 year deal, say in early 2013, during a time in which no carrier would of had rates anywhere near ours (at that time), and be locked into what would now be a substandard deal looking at the patterns in the industry?
We would not have a crack at the current industry rates until 2019-2020 because we would be stuck at just over a 300 max rate by the end of what would of been a 2013ish CBA and now we can settle a deal that puts us at or above any rates of the industry leaders. DAL will surpass AA by the end of July and set the new bar. We are at the perfect time and place, if you ask me, every factor that could be in our favor, is in our favor. Run a simple pay rate assumption from the 2 year CBA with a new deal in the next few months against one from a theoretical CBA that resembles what we would of signed in about 2013 and you will see that we are not behind and have enjoyed the higher rates of the 2011 deal in the meantime, lowering pressure on retro pay.
The MEC Officers should be a non factor in closing this out, unless our MEC is stupid enough to change the players and the game now. If the MEC does that next week and gives our mediator and the Company an excuse to further delay, then shame on us. The Company has ran out of excuses and labor peace so let's not trip heading over the finish line, please.
We would not have a crack at the current industry rates until 2019-2020 because we would be stuck at just over a 300 max rate by the end of what would of been a 2013ish CBA and now we can settle a deal that puts us at or above any rates of the industry leaders. DAL will surpass AA by the end of July and set the new bar. We are at the perfect time and place, if you ask me, every factor that could be in our favor, is in our favor. Run a simple pay rate assumption from the 2 year CBA with a new deal in the next few months against one from a theoretical CBA that resembles what we would of signed in about 2013 and you will see that we are not behind and have enjoyed the higher rates of the 2011 deal in the meantime, lowering pressure on retro pay.
The MEC Officers should be a non factor in closing this out, unless our MEC is stupid enough to change the players and the game now. If the MEC does that next week and gives our mediator and the Company an excuse to further delay, then shame on us. The Company has ran out of excuses and labor peace so let's not trip heading over the finish line, please.
Now a question for you do you think the leadership believed it when they told us the company was ready to negotiate in good faith once we passed the interim deal? Were they lying to us or themselves?
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