FDX - MD-11 Disputed pairings JUN15
 

If you're stupid enough to pick these up, you deserve every plague that besets you.

MEM-OAK, 20:47 or 21:22 layover (the worst -- too long to sleep once, too short to sleep twice) then OAK-RNO, RNO-MEM -- 7:19 Duty IF Reno can turn you in 1:27 -- don't hold your breath.


Trip 416 06JUN
Trip 416 13JUN
Trip 438 20JUN
Trip 416 27JUN


Let 'em rot in Open Time, brothers.






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So if the layover was shorter, you would be ok with it?

No, for 2 reasons. First, and most important, the PSIT disputed it, so I won't be good with it.

Second, it would exceed 8 block hours in 24 clock hours, so the FAA would frown on it.







It's disputed, what other explanation is required?






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8 in 24 has nothing to do with it.

I guess I don't understand your beef. As currently written, the pairing has no 8-in-24 issue. You asked, "What if ...?" If the layover were to be shortened to observe normal circadian sleep patterns, there would be an 8-in-24 issue.

Both problems could be resolved by LENGTHENING the layover to observe normal circadian sleep patterns.






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The layover could be as short as 10 hours and still be legal for 8 in 24 purposes. You seem to be up on the FARs as you post them frequently. I'm not saying it's a good trip I was just wondering why you were complaining about a long layover and implying a shorter layover would be better so you could just sleep once.

June Open Time has been out for 15 hours, and they are still in there!

20 - 26 hour layovers sound great but they are not, especially if your next duty period is going to be long. In this particular case, you fly to OAK, get to the hotel at 0600 OAK time. Fall asleep at 0630. Get your 8 hours of sleep, if you're lucky, and get up at 1430. Stay awake for 16 hours and ready for bed. Well, 16 hours after 1430 is when it is time to depart RNO for MEM.

Speaking in generalities, the concept you're referring to (preferring a shorter layover to a longer one) is very valid in certain circumstances.

A shorter layover would be better because I would be working at a time when my body is not begging for sleep.

Trip 416 has a 20:47 layover and 33:47 TAFB. Shorten the layover to 10:00, and the TAFB becomes 23:00.

Please show me the math where you can fit 8:33 block hours in there legally.






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