Western Global Airways
05-24-2017, 03:57 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
I want to know how they operate 15 aircraft with 70 pilots...... even if you take a middle of the 7 pilots per seat and figuring they fly three man crews.... thats 21 pilots per aircraft.... meaning they have enough for 3 planes.... I just don't get it... hum.
05-24-2017, 07:14 PM
#182
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I'm confused. Which isn't hard after a few beers. Well more then a few beers.
Sooooo if a pilot works at WG, you're basically a salaried employee right? A new hire pilot gets $360ish a day? More seniority equals more pay PER DAY. But with more seniority is a pilot working less duty/flying hours per day?. A double crew can fly for 1-16 hr block day under the regs? Add a tail-end ferry, and a pilot could have an extremely long day. Maybe like 20-30 hr duty period? WG fly's to Africa, where u have to SLOP and fly at weird altitudes because you could have a midair because other companies will try and fly through FIR's while keeping the transponder off to avoid paying user fees. So stay off the center line of the airway? Dead people in wheel wells. Pilots arrested. Suitcases full of cash? Lawyers guns and money?
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Sooooo if a pilot works at WG, you're basically a salaried employee right? A new hire pilot gets $360ish a day? More seniority equals more pay PER DAY. But with more seniority is a pilot working less duty/flying hours per day?. A double crew can fly for 1-16 hr block day under the regs? Add a tail-end ferry, and a pilot could have an extremely long day. Maybe like 20-30 hr duty period? WG fly's to Africa, where u have to SLOP and fly at weird altitudes because you could have a midair because other companies will try and fly through FIR's while keeping the transponder off to avoid paying user fees. So stay off the center line of the airway? Dead people in wheel wells. Pilots arrested. Suitcases full of cash? Lawyers guns and money?
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05-24-2017, 11:24 PM
#183
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Sounds like you have not been to Africa. Yes, there is SLOP. There is an air-to-air frequency. No, no weird altitudes, that is setting yourself up for accidents and tcas RA's. Yes, there is the occasional stow-away, but that happens also from certain Caribbean and South American countries. Suitcases with cash? You don't need a suitcase full to pay for landing and navigation fees, unless you want to pay in single dollar bills which will be refused. Pilots do get arrested: if you carry stuff that is not declared, your company did not pay the overflight permits for a while, or the fuel bill or...... but so can you in many other counties, it is a very common thread in airlaw exams to know how many days in prison, or what fine you will be subjected to if you.......(fill in the blanks).
Yes, with an augmented crew you can have a long duty day, with a double crew up to 30 hours. Thanks to the cargo exemption in the regs.
In case of Western Global, your pay stays the same. Advantage is that when it is time to go home, you won't have a captain who goes at snails pace because he is on overtime and you miss your flight because of it (own experience). The other advantage is (for you and the company) that you don't need to chase every minute you flew before you get paid, and after if there is a dispute. In all my years of flying wide body cargo I have broken 70 hours in a month maybe 10 times, 80 about 4 and 100 only once. Usual numbers are around 50 hrs a month, 400-500 in a year. So really there is no difference in being paid per day or per hour.
Yes, with an augmented crew you can have a long duty day, with a double crew up to 30 hours. Thanks to the cargo exemption in the regs.
In case of Western Global, your pay stays the same. Advantage is that when it is time to go home, you won't have a captain who goes at snails pace because he is on overtime and you miss your flight because of it (own experience). The other advantage is (for you and the company) that you don't need to chase every minute you flew before you get paid, and after if there is a dispute. In all my years of flying wide body cargo I have broken 70 hours in a month maybe 10 times, 80 about 4 and 100 only once. Usual numbers are around 50 hrs a month, 400-500 in a year. So really there is no difference in being paid per day or per hour.
05-25-2017, 06:51 AM
#185
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Originally Posted by overcast
Sounds like you have not been to Africa. Yes, there is SLOP. There is an air-to-air frequency. No, no weird altitudes, that is setting yourself up for accidents and tcas RA's. Yes, there is the occasional stow-away, but that happens also from certain Caribbean and South American countries. Suitcases with cash? You don't need a suitcase full to pay for landing and navigation fees, unless you want to pay in single dollar bills which will be refused. Pilots do get arrested: if you carry stuff that is not declared, your company did not pay the overflight permits for a while, or the fuel bill or...... but so can you in many other counties, it is a very common thread in airlaw exams to know how many days in prison, or what fine you will be subjected to if you.......(fill in the blanks).
Yes, with an augmented crew you can have a long duty day, with a double crew up to 30 hours. Thanks to the cargo exemption in the regs.
In case of Western Global, your pay stays the same. Advantage is that when it is time to go home, you won't have a captain who goes at snails pace because he is on overtime and you miss your flight because of it (own experience). The other advantage is (for you and the company) that you don't need to chase every minute you flew before you get paid, and after if there is a dispute. In all my years of flying wide body cargo I have broken 70 hours in a month maybe 10 times, 80 about 4 and 100 only once. Usual numbers are around 50 hrs a month, 400-500 in a year. So really there is no difference in being paid per day or per hour.
Yes, with an augmented crew you can have a long duty day, with a double crew up to 30 hours. Thanks to the cargo exemption in the regs.
In case of Western Global, your pay stays the same. Advantage is that when it is time to go home, you won't have a captain who goes at snails pace because he is on overtime and you miss your flight because of it (own experience). The other advantage is (for you and the company) that you don't need to chase every minute you flew before you get paid, and after if there is a dispute. In all my years of flying wide body cargo I have broken 70 hours in a month maybe 10 times, 80 about 4 and 100 only once. Usual numbers are around 50 hrs a month, 400-500 in a year. So really there is no difference in being paid per day or per hour.
05-25-2017, 01:32 PM
#186
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Western Global Airlines
A Western Global pilot provided me with a comparison of Atlas and WGA pay where the WGA Daily Rate was translated to an Hourly Rate and the Atlas Hourly Rate to a Daily Rate -great comparison.
Based on his comparison, the FO rates for WGA are higher than Atlas thru Year 6 then they even out. What caught my eye is the WGA Year 1 FO Annual Guarantee Pay which is about $20K higher than Atlas 1st Year FO Pay. Captains are about the same. Pilots on this board seem to tout Atlas Rates as the best in terms of ACMI and Charter Carriers -is this accurate or just a fallacy?
I was also told WGA revealed details earlier this week of its unique profit sharing program (Western Global Way?) which basically distributes 50% of profits to all employees -great incentive. They say you could see bonuses of 10% to 20% of your Base Pay thru this program..
I understand WGA's travel is not on par with Atlas but I am led to believe that unlike Atlas, the WGA travel time is on the company -not the individual. Which benefits me the most: Atlas Business Class Travel or better pay at WGA... $20K in Base pay, $10K longevity bonus after 2 years, and a potential of increasing the Base Pay by 10% to 20% thru the profit sharing program...
I am missing something?? Does Atlas have a Bonus Program?
Based on his comparison, the FO rates for WGA are higher than Atlas thru Year 6 then they even out. What caught my eye is the WGA Year 1 FO Annual Guarantee Pay which is about $20K higher than Atlas 1st Year FO Pay. Captains are about the same. Pilots on this board seem to tout Atlas Rates as the best in terms of ACMI and Charter Carriers -is this accurate or just a fallacy?
I was also told WGA revealed details earlier this week of its unique profit sharing program (Western Global Way?) which basically distributes 50% of profits to all employees -great incentive. They say you could see bonuses of 10% to 20% of your Base Pay thru this program..
I understand WGA's travel is not on par with Atlas but I am led to believe that unlike Atlas, the WGA travel time is on the company -not the individual. Which benefits me the most: Atlas Business Class Travel or better pay at WGA... $20K in Base pay, $10K longevity bonus after 2 years, and a potential of increasing the Base Pay by 10% to 20% thru the profit sharing program...
I am missing something?? Does Atlas have a Bonus Program?
05-25-2017, 02:46 PM
#187
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Originally Posted by CargoJockey380
Hi.. I am considering a position at Western Global Airlines and would like feedback on the position from you kind folks.
I have a friend who is working there and he says the Company is making improvements every day. For instance, he says they significantly increased the base pay just this week and improved various travel and duty issues he experienced in the past. He also said they have a two and four year $10K Loyalty Bonus and a new and very unique profit sharing program with all company personnel participating in the design and profits -they call it the Western Global Way..... Has anybody heard about this???? He says they have a pretty good insurance package and offer 401K but do not match yet -says he thinks the owner will provide matching in 2018.
His opinion is that Western has the potential to be very different from other ACMI carrier he has worked for in the past and says he plans to stick it out with them.
What kind of pilot makes a statement like this?????
The pay information he provided is as follows:
PAY RATES:
YR CAPT FO
1 $562 $382
2 $580 $395
3 $595 $405
4 $613 $417
5 $631 $430
6 $653 $444
7 $672 $457
8 $692 $471
9 $705 $479
10 $718 $488
11 $726 $494
12 $744 $506
GUARANTEE: 17 Days. Unlike the Atlas deal, he says you are paid from the time you leave your Home Base Airport until the time you arrive back at your Home Base Airport.
O/T Pay: 1.5 Times Base Rate for Days 19 & 20. 2.0 Times Base Rate for Days 21 and above.
Holiday Pay: 1.5 Times for Holidays worked.
Sick Days: .5 per month up to 32
BASE: Home Based.
Perhaps my friend is smoking something but he seems very sincere and is convinced the Company will be a great place to work for years to come. Any input you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
I have a friend who is working there and he says the Company is making improvements every day. For instance, he says they significantly increased the base pay just this week and improved various travel and duty issues he experienced in the past. He also said they have a two and four year $10K Loyalty Bonus and a new and very unique profit sharing program with all company personnel participating in the design and profits -they call it the Western Global Way..... Has anybody heard about this???? He says they have a pretty good insurance package and offer 401K but do not match yet -says he thinks the owner will provide matching in 2018.
His opinion is that Western has the potential to be very different from other ACMI carrier he has worked for in the past and says he plans to stick it out with them.
What kind of pilot makes a statement like this?????
The pay information he provided is as follows:
PAY RATES:
YR CAPT FO
1 $562 $382
2 $580 $395
3 $595 $405
4 $613 $417
5 $631 $430
6 $653 $444
7 $672 $457
8 $692 $471
9 $705 $479
10 $718 $488
11 $726 $494
12 $744 $506
GUARANTEE: 17 Days. Unlike the Atlas deal, he says you are paid from the time you leave your Home Base Airport until the time you arrive back at your Home Base Airport.
O/T Pay: 1.5 Times Base Rate for Days 19 & 20. 2.0 Times Base Rate for Days 21 and above.
Holiday Pay: 1.5 Times for Holidays worked.
Sick Days: .5 per month up to 32
BASE: Home Based.
Perhaps my friend is smoking something but he seems very sincere and is convinced the Company will be a great place to work for years to come. Any input you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
You come across as either a head hunter, mgmt, or a recruiter. I've met a few former western gloryhole guys where I work. And btw, they're the ones that coined that phrase.
And who on earth would want to stay out past 16-17 days let alone 20!?!? Especially when you have to travel on day zero.
05-25-2017, 05:07 PM
#188
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Originally Posted by captbiff
So based on your daily rates, if I were in hercdriver's shoes and assuminng s/he's been at k4 for 3 yrs in this example and makes $131 an hr, in a little over 3 hrs of block time would make what a western global pilot makes in one day at the same longevity. Or what a ups/FedEx, ual, dal, etc etc etc. you see where I'm going with this? If hercdriver performs a a 16 hr nonstop from the USA to New Delhi at (insert whome ever hourly pay rate you want) will earn a heck of lot more then the "daily rate" you tout. Salary is salary, and has no business in non-mgmt postitions.
You come across as either a head hunter, mgmt, or a recruiter. I've met a few former western gloryhole guys where I work. And btw, they're the ones that coined that phrase.
And who on earth would want to stay out past 16-17 days let alone 20!?!? Especially when you have to travel on day zero.
You come across as either a head hunter, mgmt, or a recruiter. I've met a few former western gloryhole guys where I work. And btw, they're the ones that coined that phrase.
And who on earth would want to stay out past 16-17 days let alone 20!?!? Especially when you have to travel on day zero.
05-27-2017, 03:56 AM
#190
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Originally Posted by CargoJockey380
I suppose I am more interested in facts than bashing.. To each his own..
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