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Old 01-09-2018, 09:37 AM
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Looks like WGA just announced they have a year-long contract with UPS.
Well that would be a clear violation of the CBA and one UPS would pay dearly for. I suspect no announcement exists. 10 weeks of four nights a week is what our union has been saying. Anything more than 45 requires union approval.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella View Post
Well that would be a clear violation of the CBA and one UPS would pay dearly for. I suspect no announcement exists. 10 weeks of four nights a week is what our union has been saying. Anything more than 45 requires union approval.
Don't worry the best men are on it, same guys that fixed all the issues plaguing this pilot group for over 30 years, ie NURPS, Schedules, etc.... Next time don't waste 5 years getting a raise that keeps up with inflation and sending out worthless surveys, just go in and get the 3% and a bump in retirement and make us all work harder for the same money!
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Old 01-09-2018, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella View Post
Well that would be a clear violation of the CBA and one UPS would pay dearly for. I suspect no announcement exists. 10 weeks of four nights a week is what our union has been saying. Anything more than 45 requires union approval.
Requires union approval? ??Really
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Old 01-09-2018, 01:13 PM
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Requires union approval? ??Really
Yes. Otherwise even the most business biased arbitrator would call it an obvious violation.
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Old 01-09-2018, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella View Post
Yes. Otherwise even the most business biased arbitrator would call it an obvious violation.
I disagree, guess we shall see.

Give this thread back to the West Glo guys, they need it more than we do.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:20 PM
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Has anyone at WGA seen a profit sharing bonus yet?
Any sign of success from the Great Game of Business, now named "The Western Global Way"?
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:34 PM
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What airlines can WGA jumpseat on domestic and international in the cabin?
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Old 01-26-2018, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella View Post
Well that would be a clear violation of the CBA and one UPS would pay dearly for. I suspect no announcement exists. 10 weeks of four nights a week is what our union has been saying. Anything more than 45 requires union approval.
The UPS guys we were asking about this in our jumpseat said that UPS has an out with the union on our contract: they can order new airplanes for planned route expansion, and that basically covers them indefinitely untill the planes are physically delivered.

So basically if they ordered airframes from boeing that wont be delivered untill next year, they have satisfied the contract and can have their one year lease carrier contract as well. Again, just heresay, but ive heard it more than once.
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Old 01-26-2018, 12:58 PM
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1.D.1.c.(1)

Notwithstanding D.1.a., the Company may charter aircraft and crews to cover increases in volume which exceed the lift capacity of the Company's regularly scheduled aircraft operations between November 15 and January 1 or in cases of emergencies. If the lift capacity should be exceeded at some other time, subcontracting shall be limited to thirty (30) days annually or the time required to lease or purchase additional aircraft and train the necessary crewmembers, provided that the parties mutually agree on the continuation of any subcontracting which exceeds forty-five (45) days. The Association will not unreasonably withhold such agreement provided the Company demonstrates that it is making a good faith and reasonable effort to purchase or lease the necessary equipment to be operated by Association members and that the needs of the service require the continuation of the subcontracting.
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Old 01-26-2018, 01:40 PM
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1.D.1.c.(1)

Notwithstanding D.1.a., the Company may charter aircraft and crews to cover increases in volume which exceed the lift capacity of the Company's regularly scheduled aircraft operations between November 15 and January 1 or in cases of emergencies. If the lift capacity should be exceeded at some other time, subcontracting shall be limited to thirty (30) days annually or the time required to lease or purchase additional aircraft and train the necessary crewmembers, provided that the parties mutually agree on the continuation of any subcontracting which exceeds forty-five (45) days. The Association will not unreasonably withhold such agreement provided the Company demonstrates that it is making a good faith and reasonable effort to purchase or lease the necessary equipment to be operated by Association members and that the needs of the service require the continuation of the subcontracting.
Well that leaves alot of room for argument there doesnt it? The association must agree... does that mean the union leadership or the whole pilot group?
And how do you define a "Good faith effort"?

And how do you support the need for an extended contract of a mere 4 airplanes. 3 active and a spare, for 1 year?

What is the consensus of the ups pilot group about this contract with us also i wonder? I haven't really percieved any animosity in the van.... but that doesnt mean people arent just being polite. I wonder if we've got such a small profile that its just kind of being brushed along?

I cant complain obviously the business is good for us and benefits me directly and personally in the short term, but id like to move up to UPS or FDX someday down the road and i dont want to see what is hard fought and won QOL, Pay, and benefits fall to contractor's like the passenger airline industry or DHL does.

Has UPS demonstrated the intention to purchase or lease the aircraft to be flown by association members that would make this work to anyone?

Last edited by WinggedHussars; 01-26-2018 at 01:45 PM. Reason: Corrected some of my typos. I'm on a phone and it's 6am.
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