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Buster1 06-19-2015 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleBoiler (Post 1910004)
Logbook is/was the source. Mine was a fancy printout of my electronic logbook. Non of my flying was classified however there was no other proof for most of it besides what was printed out and I signed to be true.

Thank you PB. Do you agree with SB about staying put and getting TPIC in a King Air vs. SIC in G III?

Whale Driver 06-19-2015 01:33 PM

You will find that PIC, combined with the what/where you are doing it will trump most all.

Swedish Blender 06-19-2015 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Buster1 (Post 1910011)
Thank you PB. Do you agree with SB about staying put and getting TPIC in a King Air vs. SIC in G III?

To quantify my response, people will tell you you don't need TPIC these days to get hired. That is true, like it always has been, if you have the right connections. I had the right connection, but 9/11 squashed it.

Present day, I have 6-7000 hours SIC between the 727 and Saab 340 (hence my name) and didn't get a peep until I got in the left seat. So a few hours in the right seat of a GIII IMO would not be helpful. Also, you posted you would wrench on it. Saying you could be in the right seat could just be the carrot to get you in the door when you may not fly that much.

Bosco 06-19-2015 04:04 PM

I was told by FedEx HR that I wasn't getting a call for an interview because I needed jet time.

Current Regional Check Airman
11,000 TT
6,000 TPIC (all turbo-prop)

Maybe get the 1000 TPIC, then take the right seat in the jet?

Good luck!

Birdstrikes 06-19-2015 04:28 PM

I'll also reccomend finishing the 1000 TPIC. It hurt me years ago. I've flown both turboprops and Boeing jets and there is a difference and the hiring boards know it. Although it's pretty easy to argue an engine failure in a King Air requires more skill than in one in a 777, the jet still requires you to be on top of your game for everything else. A complicated arrival into HKG including holding, vectors, speed adjustments, rejoining the arrival, and a last minute runway change will test any big jet transport pilot as will the same into any other busy airport such as ORD or LAX.

If you've flown a transport category jet you have met at least the minimum skill level everyone is looking for in their new hires.

Finish your PIC time and then look for someone with a quick path to the left seat of a Boeing or Airbus while you wait to be called for your dream job.

Just my $.02

7AC2B60 06-19-2015 04:53 PM

1000 hrs TPIC
 
"I'm guessing the same applies for the majors?"

depends on the major.....SWA lists as "required", others "recommended", some don't list, likely preferred by all

may want to review the APC "Who's been hired" thread....link below begins with posts from March 2015.....thread began in October 2013

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...hired-117.html

also, graduation from accredited, four-year college.....some require, others preferred.

continued success in your flying career!

iarapilot 06-19-2015 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Bosco (Post 1910174)
I was told by FedEx HR that I wasn't getting a call for an interview because I needed jet time.

Current Regional Check Airman
11,000 TT
6,000 TPIC (all turbo-prop)

Maybe get the 1000 TPIC, then take the right seat in the jet?

Good luck!

In 1997 I was hired by FedEx with 10000TT and 7500PIC in a Jetstream. All turboprop and no jet. Maybe things have changed.

Bosco 06-19-2015 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by iarapilot (Post 1910291)
In 1997 I was hired by FedEx with 10000TT and 7500PIC in a Jetstream. All turboprop and no jet. Maybe things have changed.

I know of several FedEx pilots that were hired with much less experience than that, and with nothing but turbo-prop time as well.
I think things have changed...unfortunately.

Buster1 06-19-2015 10:10 PM

Some good information. Thank you everyone.

frozenboxhauler 06-21-2015 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Buster1 (Post 1909956)
Work history/flight time:
3200TT
2300 twin turbine (SIC)
500 PIC King Air 300
ATP/CFI/A&P/Top Secret-SCI

I'm working for a US company.

Exactly what Swedish told you, stay put! Good luck to you.
Cheers,
fbh


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