fredsmith999

[QUOTE=FTFF;2047048]Though I'm relatively new to it, and perhaps the more seasoned guys could correct me if I'm wrong, but true night flying (9pm-6am) is a different lifestyle. It's not like you can do a week of hub turns and act as if nothing happened on your subsequent days off. On top of that, I've found most guys rarely get more than 5-6 hours sleep at the hotel during nightly hub turns and maybe an hour in the sleep rooms resulting in a constant state of mild tiredness. And with the lackluster contract you won't even necessarily be getting a significant premium pay for it all. You never know what's going to happen in the world and you could wind up being stuck doing night sort for a lot longer than anticipatI

This poses a very relevant question, that goes beyond the ULCC captain vs legacy FO threads which have been addressed extensively. What I have not seen seen so much is comments from ULCC captains that go UPS/fedex cargo. This is where the highest pay disparities occur. ive not seen hardly anyting on the differences in flying- back of clock, fatigue, compensation vs ULCC pass captian. this would be helpful.

tnkrdrvr

[QUOTE=fredsmith999;3352531]We are approaching contract negotiations at Brown and I am certainly looking forward to significant improvements to our contract. That said, it’s tough to make the argument that our contract or FedEx’s lag overall (plenty of specifics that need improvement) relative to ULCC contracts. This is a very profitable business and pilots at UPS/FEDEX profit substantially more from their labor than ULCC pilots.

You kind of answered your own question. FedEx/UPS pay significantly more and have a better overall benefits package relative to a ULCC in part due to the challenges of this type of flying (also due to IPA at Brown). If you will be a commuter, you will find yourself flying much rougher schedules for significantly longer due to the need to bid a commuter friendly line. Choose to live in domicile and life can be substantially better. We get a steady trickle of guys coming from all the majors. The numbers ebb with the boom/bust cycle in the pax business. At UPS everyone is on a widebody pay scale after first year. At FedEx, most people are. If you are content with the smaller paycheck, smaller retirement, smaller vacations, etc of the ULCC contracts stay put. You may make $100k, or more, less per year for the rest of your life, but you will still make significantly more than most Americans.

KP3G

[QUOTE=tnkrdrvr;3352550]To clarify, do you mean a commuter at a passenger airline? I thought FedEx and UPS offer double DHs and make commuting a lot easier/ better QOL? Thanks!

tnkrdrvr

[QUOTE=KP3G;3357522]What I mean, is that when your priority is a double DH line for ease of commuting, you are not going to also be able to hold daytime flying very quickly. A week on/off double DH line with primarily day flying will go pretty senior. If you live in domicile you can hold day flying lines that suck for commuting pretty quickly. You can hold the double DH night sort lines with a little more seniority. It would likely be a few years (at current seniority progression) before you could hold double DH day sort lines. FedEx has a separate pay scale for its 75 domestic fleet. This depresses the seniority needed to hold commuter friendly lines. Basically, it’s a matter of picking your poison (if offered the option). Delta’s positive space commute (if it lasts) takes the stress out of commuting, but costs you your off time.

Noworkallplay

If this doesn’t discredit Tuck I don't know what will. Just goes to prove these types as trolls.

I will say Tuck has toned down his negativity as of late. I think reality has set in these past two years. Glad to see you in a happier place.

Some usernames constantly throwing out false predictions and information. So miserable with themselves and what they have created around them. Most have very little family around due to this miserable attitude. Very sad actually.

Noworkallplay

Wow name calling and dividing the crew force. Another example of who some become when in a bad place in life. Hope you are doing better now that reality has taken over.

Noworkallplay

Everything you and Tuck have predicted has proven to be absolutely garbage. You come on this forum to spread fud and troll. How miserable you must be in life. Tuck appears to have turned a corner for the better. You and a couple others still like conjecture, falsehoods and personal opinion over facts.

Its funny watching you and others eat crow. You are in the top 3 for the pinocchio’s award. Congratulations that nose keeps growing.

KP3G

[QUOTE=tnkrdrvr;3357656]Thank you for explaining!

PurpleToolBox

First, don't put me and Tuck together. I don't know him and he doesn't speak for me.
Second, everything I wrote about Delta and that you quoted me is 100% correct. The average Delta Pilot's total compensation without including profit sharing is roughly equal to the average FedEx Pilot's total compensation. When you include Profit Sharing, Delta's average is well above FedEx's. This isn't just my opinion, it is the opinion of FedEx's MEC which produced our contract comparison document which clearly proves my point.
Third, Delta didn't furlough anyone during COVID. More than 2,000 Delta Pilots took early retirement, a huge seniority boom for those junior to them. Delta is going to fly the 2019 schedule (their largest ever) this year in 2022. They have recovered since Covid hit the USA.

You are continuing to divide people on here.

dckozak

This..........

To interject, as a (former) Fedex commuter, commuting is a very personal specific, meaning that who, where and when (and a couple more variables, but you get the idea) as to wether commuting is easy/worth it, or a real PITA. The other caveat, the base you are commuting from and why you chose not to live there. Fedex DH lines and commuter friendly work rules have been explained multiple places on this forum. Look elsewhere for a long in depth discussion. Some commuting cities are easier than others. Places that have large military flying and are considered desirable from a weather/cost/convenience stand point, have a lot a pilots commuting out of them. Consequently they are harder to commute, due to the competitive nature of getting a seat. This makes requesting the seat and bidding your flying a more complicated affair. Obviously seniority, or the lack there of, can make this all a non event or a real pain.

Night flying at Fedex or Brown have a lot of similarities, way more than differences. At Fedex lack of a night pay differential, is disappointing, but I never heard much grumbling about flighting to get it. Deteriorating pay vs the legacy standard and the major decline in the value of our once A+++ retirement plan are something every prospective Fedex pilot should consider when making you career wish list.