Riverside

Spirit and Jetblue contract isn't that good.

atpcliff

Western Global is competing with ALL aviation organizations worldwide, for pilots. Each new contract that is better than Western Global puts pressure on them to provide better Terms and Conditions for their own pilots, or risk losing them and/or not getting enough new hires.

JohnBurke

They really aren't.

maxjet

Western has been interviewing quite a few over the past few weeks. They have been using the 747 sim at SCS. Seems like strong interest to me. Their pilots that I talk with coming in on recurrent seem relatively happy and are not looking to jump ship.

Out Of Trim

There is some amount of truth in your statement, however, that pressure diminishes greatly unless it’s from other ACMI operators. Which, for the most part at WGA, it is not. Many (most?) of the folks coming in couldn’t seem to care less about what Spirit or Jet Blue are paying. It’s much more about the ACMI flying and one’s ability to adhere to that lifestyle than monetary considerations. And, given the three-ringed circus that was once the passenger cabin, that decision to go ACMI continues to get even easier. While in the air, I have had 150 lb dogs ****ting in the isle in 1st class, male flight attendants *****-slapping each other in the galley, a Capuchin monkey seat hopping, and a woman running up and down the isle yelling with her belt in her hand playing ringmaster and telling the rest of the animals that they’d better stay in their seats. How do you put a dollar figure on THAT? And, where I was once a glorified bus driver between the same old city pairs, now I’m bouncing in nearly every continent. So yeah, while deciding to apply here, ask me if I gave a crap about Southwest’s new contract. That said, let’s look at our true competition and how we stack up. If one does that math, they’ll find that we match up pretty favorably with the top dogs (NPI) in the ACMI freight world. I think there’s only one that beats us pay-wise by a margin worth mentioning. The few others at the top are pretty close pay-wise but then there are the QOL and other factors at many of them that leave you wondering. Including acrimonious relations with management and backbiting within the pilot group. At several, the guys arent confident of getting a check every payday. Fortunately, you won’t find that here. We also have a bit of a self-vetting process going on here where an internal recommendation goes a long way. It seems to be doing a decent job in keeping the pilot group a very cohesive one. Every now and then a special tool has made it into the box, but that appears to be improving now too. I think most of us here consider it to be a pretty damned good place to be.

JohnBurke

Now see, I'd have paid good money to see that.

No Land 3

In regards to the type of flying we do in the ACMI world, I couldn't of said it better.

Asiabound

I agree, great flying and crews.

But don't delete you apps to the Legacies, FDX, or UPS. If you're under 45 there's a multi-million dollar pay difference.