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Old 04-04-2016, 02:56 PM   #21  
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Which is why the Teamsters actually have a legitimate strike threat. Since DHL is a German company, if a strike eventually happens, management will have less pull than a comparable US corporation would.

Atlas could be the largest airline to be allowed to _stay_ on strike in our lifetimes.
I tried a little google-fu but got more confused. I've seen some of your jets with DHL livery but always thought that was just Atlas as a DHL contractor. DHL has some kind of management stake in a US airline? Without turning it into a War and Peace dissertation, can you explain this dynamic re: DHL and your possible strike?
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DHL owns 49% of our Polar division.
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Old 04-04-2016, 11:37 PM   #23  
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interesting times ahead for sure. Stay united!
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Old 04-05-2016, 11:55 AM   #24  
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"Self Help" is legal if you're in Section Six negotiations and the company violates the status quo. It does not require the approval of the NMB. It is not an idle threat, and it is not, "years away." Does anyone know of a 1224 DHL carrier that is not in Section Six negotiations?
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Same movie, different players. Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. Peace out.
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Corrosion Corner is long gone..
Yet places like AJT and Skylease and the like remain. You say its gone; I say it looks different but the corrosion corner spirit is alive and well. I know several people at Atlas and I wish them well against Frank and the scum who run DHL. I will gladly walk the line down in MIA in support of my Teamster brothers and sisters. Go get em guys!!!
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"Self Help" is legal if you're in Section Six negotiations and the company violates the status quo. It does not require the approval of the NMB. It is not an idle threat, and it is not, "years away." Does anyone know of a 1224 DHL carrier that is not in Section Six negotiations?
Quite a complex story but... G4 pilots were in that situation a few years ago, the judge just said no.
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Corrosion corner, so to speak, is NOT gone. You can paint a turd gold but its still a turd! Given they cleaned up the place a bit, which I think sucks, it was awesome back in the day if you loved old airplanes but, the place still has remnants of its past. Trust me, there will always be a dark seedy element there in Mijami. Pilots will walk over each others dead bodies. You should have been down there during the Eastern strike.

Now places like Millon and Arrow and Fine are gone but you still have; Centurion/Slylease, WGA, World Atlantic, Amerijet and Florida West.

The circus is still in town just a better tent and different clowns.

Be careful my Atlas friends, there are maqaques hiding in the trees that will attack for the chance to fly for Atlas. Strike breaking in MIA is legendary.
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The DHL play book is a common thread among German companies doing business/owning companies in the USA. I have friends (not in aviation) working for companies that a German firm bought and are now branded and controlled/managed from the other side. German management (and by extension, their society) treats its own very well. Whether its by law, custom, or labor negotiated, Germans give them selves a lot of paid time off, generous pay, and even better benefits. My (management) friend tells me at his place, they often work days when this bosses are off (German holidays, which are many) and he and his American colleges are expected to work and pay for benefits that the brothers "over there" have by law or common practice.

Having seen how DHL treated/worked with subcontractors in the past and present, it's obvious that DHL model to compete, at least in the USA, is to whipsaw its American labor to try and compete with its (higher cost) American competitors. I believe that DHL in particular, and German industry's owning companies in the USA generally, look down on American labor. They see low union participation in US in general and consider US labor to dumb to look after their own interests by organizing. BMW is a good example. They came to South Carolina, not for the weather or great location, but for the non unionized labor they could expect from the local work force. You can see how they've been rewarded, with a factory set up in Mexico after the fact.

Good luck Atlas, Southern, and all others being whipsawed by their managements/clients. At least you all have seen this show before, know how it's been played (DHL airways vs ABX). Stay strong, get united, and don't let the German machine push you around. They take care of their own (over there), make them respect and compensate you, at least to industry standard over here.
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Corrosion corner, so to speak, is NOT gone. You can paint a turd gold but its still a turd! Given they cleaned up the place a bit, which I think sucks, it was awesome back in the day if you loved old airplanes but, the place still has remnants of its past. Trust me, there will always be a dark seedy element there in Mijami. Pilots will walk over each others dead bodies. You should have been down there during the Eastern strike.

Now places like Millon and Arrow and Fine are gone but you still have; Centurion/Slylease, WGA, World Atlantic, Amerijet and Florida West.

The circus is still in town just a better tent and different clowns.

Be careful my Atlas friends, there are maqaques hiding in the trees that will attack for the chance to fly for Atlas. Strike breaking in MIA is legendary.
Even if all those you’ve taken liberty to paint with the same brush could replace 800 crews working the DHL system, which of course they can’t, your charges are baseless and low. Atlas received 4 76 freighters from ABX last year. The pilots are NOT to blame. Trippe, Rickenbacker, Baker; these were tough MIA guys who fathered an airline culture not yet surpassed. They were also, by any account, hard nose businessmen with whom pilots did not always see eye to eye. While not forgetting the past, don’t reinvent it either.
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