ABX (1224) files Single Carrier for ATI/ATSG
10-27-2016, 11:41 AM
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ABX (1224) files Single Carrier for ATI/ATSG
First off before the ****** storm begins I thought this actually deserved its own thread rather than the back of others.
This is a txt msg I cut and pasted on here from an ABX Pilot (good guy too) I removed colorful language and made it soft and gentle..
"" NO idea what they are doing or where they are going. If any of them were on the ATI list during that *** ****** (CCAI/ATI merger) they would be wanting to build fence""
Personally yeah Im tired of commuter pay.. Opinions are all over the grid on this. I wish 1224 would have done a better job of trying to promote it before the filing.
considering past rulings and the fact that we are essentially under the same owner ship flying the same airframe off the same ramp for the same customers.............have NO doubt it will happen
This is a txt msg I cut and pasted on here from an ABX Pilot (good guy too) I removed colorful language and made it soft and gentle..
"" NO idea what they are doing or where they are going. If any of them were on the ATI list during that *** ****** (CCAI/ATI merger) they would be wanting to build fence""
Personally yeah Im tired of commuter pay.. Opinions are all over the grid on this. I wish 1224 would have done a better job of trying to promote it before the filing.
considering past rulings and the fact that we are essentially under the same owner ship flying the same airframe off the same ramp for the same customers.............have NO doubt it will happen
10-27-2016, 12:25 PM
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Teamster Pilots @ ABX Air Seek Single Carrier
WILMINGTON, Ohio, Oct. 27, 2016 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The International Brotherhood of Teamsters and the Airline Division formally requested that the National Mediation Board initiate an investigation to determine if two subsidiaries of Air Transport Services Group (ATSG) should be considered a single transportation system.
ATSG owns ABX Air, Inc. (ABX) and Air Transport International, Inc. (ATI), two cargo carriers that together employ an estimated 400 pilots and operate in the same mid-size cargo freighter segment of the industry, serving the same key customers, DHL and Amazon.
The Teamsters and its affiliated local union, Airline Professionals Association, Teamsters Local 1224, contend that ATSG has operated the two carriers as a single transportation system while maintaining a facade of two separate carriers.
"That charade has to end," said Rick Ziebarth, a longtime ABX pilot.
ABX and ATI operate in the same segment of the air cargo industry, serve the same key customers, swap equipment and use common flight and labor related programs and policies. Yet, ATSG characterizes the two carriers' operations as separate from one another.
Historically, airline holding companies have owned and operated multiple airline subsidiaries and kept them separate from one another for various reasons, some of which were designed to artificially suppress labor costs and conditions. The historical model no longer works due to vastly changed economic conditions affecting the airline industry, including the increasingly dire shortage of pilots across the world, which are now straining airlines' ability to efficiently, effectively and safely serve their customers.
"It makes no sense from an economic or a labor perspective," said Daniel C. Wells, President of the Airline Professionals Association, Teamsters Local 1224. "All it does is run up the customers' bills and drive pilots away to other carriers."
The pilots hold that ATSG's refusal to adapt to today's challenging airline environment is costing the carriers and their customers dearly. Through its continued insistence that it operate two carriers as a single transportation system ATSG has incurred millions of dollars in forced overtime and other avoidable cost overruns, all of which have contributed to pilot fatigue and threated to exhaust its supply of available qualified pilots. Through a combined ABX and ATI pilot group, ATSG would benefit from greater operational efficiencies, reductions in overhead and overtime costs, and the elimination of duplicative management and departmental functions.
"The pilots want to provide the best possible service to our customers, including DHL and Amazon, but ATSG is jeopardizing that service, its reputation and our jobs by clinging to the remains of an outdated labor-cost model," Ziebarth said. "I know that we fly planes and not rockets, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that ATSG is way off course and that it needs to stop trying to manipulate its pilots and start focusing on what it takes to run a successful and efficient operation in today's airline industry."
Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women throughout the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico. Visit www.teamster.org for more information. Follow us on Twitter @Teamsters and "like us" on Facebook at www.facebook.com/teamsters.
CONTACT: Denise Luu, (626) 382-6217, [email protected]
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ATSG owns ABX Air, Inc. (ABX) and Air Transport International, Inc. (ATI), two cargo carriers that together employ an estimated 400 pilots and operate in the same mid-size cargo freighter segment of the industry, serving the same key customers, DHL and Amazon.
The Teamsters and its affiliated local union, Airline Professionals Association, Teamsters Local 1224, contend that ATSG has operated the two carriers as a single transportation system while maintaining a facade of two separate carriers.
"That charade has to end," said Rick Ziebarth, a longtime ABX pilot.
ABX and ATI operate in the same segment of the air cargo industry, serve the same key customers, swap equipment and use common flight and labor related programs and policies. Yet, ATSG characterizes the two carriers' operations as separate from one another.
Historically, airline holding companies have owned and operated multiple airline subsidiaries and kept them separate from one another for various reasons, some of which were designed to artificially suppress labor costs and conditions. The historical model no longer works due to vastly changed economic conditions affecting the airline industry, including the increasingly dire shortage of pilots across the world, which are now straining airlines' ability to efficiently, effectively and safely serve their customers.
"It makes no sense from an economic or a labor perspective," said Daniel C. Wells, President of the Airline Professionals Association, Teamsters Local 1224. "All it does is run up the customers' bills and drive pilots away to other carriers."
The pilots hold that ATSG's refusal to adapt to today's challenging airline environment is costing the carriers and their customers dearly. Through its continued insistence that it operate two carriers as a single transportation system ATSG has incurred millions of dollars in forced overtime and other avoidable cost overruns, all of which have contributed to pilot fatigue and threated to exhaust its supply of available qualified pilots. Through a combined ABX and ATI pilot group, ATSG would benefit from greater operational efficiencies, reductions in overhead and overtime costs, and the elimination of duplicative management and departmental functions.
"The pilots want to provide the best possible service to our customers, including DHL and Amazon, but ATSG is jeopardizing that service, its reputation and our jobs by clinging to the remains of an outdated labor-cost model," Ziebarth said. "I know that we fly planes and not rockets, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that ATSG is way off course and that it needs to stop trying to manipulate its pilots and start focusing on what it takes to run a successful and efficient operation in today's airline industry."
Founded in 1903, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women throughout the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico. Visit www.teamster.org for more information. Follow us on Twitter @Teamsters and "like us" on Facebook at www.facebook.com/teamsters.
CONTACT: Denise Luu, (626) 382-6217, [email protected]
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10-27-2016, 02:01 PM
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This is really not a Teamster vs. ALPA issue. This is really a "are you with the others pilots in the industry or are you against them".
The bar is going up all through the industry, Integrators, Majors, Nationals, Regionals and yes even ACMI.
Pilots everywhere are standing together and trying to bring our standard of living and quality of life to a respectable level, well almost everywhere. It seems the last hold out in the race to subvert wages and QOL, in order to gain favor with their management group is ATI.
It is time for the rank and file at both ABX and ATI join together and demand the pay and QOL they deserve. For too long AboutMe and Mego have mislead their group while crawling to management at every turn to assure management they could keep their pilots in line and keep the ABX pilots at bay, and thus ensure the cozy little arrangements the Me Brothers have made for themselves with management.
The most important thing to representation is the boots on the ground at the carrier, not the National group. No matter what organization you belong to, if the leadership and volunteers stink at your carrier then the union representation will stink.
Pilots are standing up for their fair share of the pie. In the DHL/Amazon world pilots at, Atlas, Southern, Kalitta and ABX are all working together to help each other achieve a rightly deserved contract and all share in the prosperity. Are the rank and file at ATI going to join in or are they going to oppose this effort and support the all about Me program the Me Brothers have sold to them.
You are either with the 2000+ brothers and sisters or you are against them. There is no middle ground.
I felt like freighthounds post needed carried forward to this thread
The bar is going up all through the industry, Integrators, Majors, Nationals, Regionals and yes even ACMI.
Pilots everywhere are standing together and trying to bring our standard of living and quality of life to a respectable level, well almost everywhere. It seems the last hold out in the race to subvert wages and QOL, in order to gain favor with their management group is ATI.
It is time for the rank and file at both ABX and ATI join together and demand the pay and QOL they deserve. For too long AboutMe and Mego have mislead their group while crawling to management at every turn to assure management they could keep their pilots in line and keep the ABX pilots at bay, and thus ensure the cozy little arrangements the Me Brothers have made for themselves with management.
The most important thing to representation is the boots on the ground at the carrier, not the National group. No matter what organization you belong to, if the leadership and volunteers stink at your carrier then the union representation will stink.
Pilots are standing up for their fair share of the pie. In the DHL/Amazon world pilots at, Atlas, Southern, Kalitta and ABX are all working together to help each other achieve a rightly deserved contract and all share in the prosperity. Are the rank and file at ATI going to join in or are they going to oppose this effort and support the all about Me program the Me Brothers have sold to them.
You are either with the 2000+ brothers and sisters or you are against them. There is no middle ground.
I felt like freighthounds post needed carried forward to this thread
10-27-2016, 02:56 PM
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Yeah, I've heard
Well, 1224 will get the ruling they want. Little doubt about that. Hete even thinks it will happen that's why we have been inflating the ATI seniority list. (Hmm seems familiar)
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Well, 1224 will get the ruling they want. Little doubt about that. Hete even thinks it will happen that's why we have been inflating the ATI seniority list. (Hmm seems familiar)
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10-27-2016, 03:04 PM
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ABX (1224) files Single Carrier for ATI/ATSG
Btw, I'm not knocking anything I mean our pay and benefits are setting an industry low. I don't care about ****. Instead I'm doing multiple jobs looking a cardboard box under a bridge for retirement. I'm seeing a payscale that's way behind and a cost of living that continues to rise. I don't even care about what seat anymore. I've moved beyond humility and just trying provide the best I can for my family.
Let's put it on the table. If it passes we'll take a vote and press on. From my view and that of my W2 things can't get worse.
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Let's put it on the table. If it passes we'll take a vote and press on. From my view and that of my W2 things can't get worse.
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10-27-2016, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CTRCommander
Yeah, I've heard
Well, 1224 will get the ruling they want. Little doubt about that. Hete even thinks it will happen that's why we have been inflating the ATI seniority list. (Hmm seems familiar)
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Well, 1224 will get the ruling they want. Little doubt about that. Hete even thinks it will happen that's why we have been inflating the ATI seniority list. (Hmm seems familiar)
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