Kalitta T/A - Tasty Tidbits
11-27-2016, 06:16 PM
#41
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 176
Originally Posted by fr8ghtdawg
With the new contract implemented I really cant see a scenario that puts me below 80 with the soft credit rules? Ive averaged like I said a little more then 78. The only months that bring my average down are training months and vacation. Otherwise I would be higher. Most senior guys I talk with that bid double crew lines or high value lines make considerably more. Why would implementing this contract cost me money? (supposive limit now on un paid 1/7s, and duty status or 1/7 now has to be assigned mandatory) What am I missing here??
11-27-2016, 06:32 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 747-8 FO
Posts: 68
Originally Posted by Code Red
What I see is min guarantee unless you have a line worth more. I don't see any other "soft" money people are referring to.
11-27-2016, 06:47 PM
#43
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[QUOTE=fr8ghtdawg;2251174]Maybe your not filling your paysheet out right? You know that you get paid for R1,R2, R3??? Current line holders. (Not being sarcastic)[/QUOTE
Correct unless they put everyone on a 1/7 all the time.
You can't count on R days as part of your salary.
Correct unless they put everyone on a 1/7 all the time.
You can't count on R days as part of your salary.
11-27-2016, 06:57 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 747-8 FO
Posts: 68
[QUOTE=Code Red;2251186]
Agreed! Do you consider a Rig as part of your salary as well? I believe in the average scenario most would not benefit from the rig! Getting 3 more days paid considering all 1/7s would be better.(By the way I have been screwed on the 1/7 thing frequently at the end of my line especially looking forward to the limited unpaid 1/7s now)
Originally Posted by fr8ghtdawg
Maybe your not filling your paysheet out right? You know that you get paid for R1,R2, R3??? Current line holders. (Not being sarcastic)[/QUOTE
Correct unless they put everyone on a 1/7 all the time.
You can't count on R days as part of your salary.
Correct unless they put everyone on a 1/7 all the time.
You can't count on R days as part of your salary.
11-27-2016, 07:53 PM
#46
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 747-8 FO
Posts: 68
Originally Posted by Code Red
We do a lot of sitting and deadheading. So we should get 100% deadhead pay and a duty rig. Nothing on company time should be unpaid.
11-28-2016, 05:29 AM
#47
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Posts: 233
" The negotiating committee should be embarrassed. " - Code Red
Absolutely NOT. These guys worked endlessly to get to this point.
I spoke with a certain member of the Union structure and we discussed the theory of diminishing returns and how we may have reached that point.
So, it has been put out for a vote by the membership to decide whether we continue on or vote this in, and correctly so. If they had continued on for another 6-months to a year I'm sure people would be screaming over that...So, ultimately the decision is now left to US.
I agree with most of your observations regarding rig, scheduling, work rules, etc. but, can not agree with the above quoted statement.
We are at where we are at and it is what it is...The main thing is it's in OUR hands now.
I don't like certain parts as discussed, however... I also see the point in further delay negating any more benefit and actually resulting in loss in some areas.
Vote your conscience.
Absolutely NOT. These guys worked endlessly to get to this point.
I spoke with a certain member of the Union structure and we discussed the theory of diminishing returns and how we may have reached that point.
So, it has been put out for a vote by the membership to decide whether we continue on or vote this in, and correctly so. If they had continued on for another 6-months to a year I'm sure people would be screaming over that...So, ultimately the decision is now left to US.
I agree with most of your observations regarding rig, scheduling, work rules, etc. but, can not agree with the above quoted statement.
We are at where we are at and it is what it is...The main thing is it's in OUR hands now.
I don't like certain parts as discussed, however... I also see the point in further delay negating any more benefit and actually resulting in loss in some areas.
Vote your conscience.
11-28-2016, 07:36 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 176
Originally Posted by Stimpy the Kat
" The negotiating committee should be embarrassed. " - Code Red
Absolutely NOT. These guys worked endlessly to get to this point.
I spoke with a certain member of the Union structure and we discussed the theory of diminishing returns and how we may have reached that point.
So, it has been put out for a vote by the membership to decide whether we continue on or vote this in, and correctly so. If they had continued on for another 6-months to a year I'm sure people would be screaming over that...So, ultimately the decision is now left to US.
I agree with most of your observations regarding rig, scheduling, work rules, etc. but, can not agree with the above quoted statement.
We are at where we are at and it is what it is...The main thing is it's in OUR hands now.
I don't like certain parts as discussed, however... I also see the point in further delay negating any more benefit and actually resulting in loss in some areas.
Vote your conscience.
Absolutely NOT. These guys worked endlessly to get to this point.
I spoke with a certain member of the Union structure and we discussed the theory of diminishing returns and how we may have reached that point.
So, it has been put out for a vote by the membership to decide whether we continue on or vote this in, and correctly so. If they had continued on for another 6-months to a year I'm sure people would be screaming over that...So, ultimately the decision is now left to US.
I agree with most of your observations regarding rig, scheduling, work rules, etc. but, can not agree with the above quoted statement.
We are at where we are at and it is what it is...The main thing is it's in OUR hands now.
I don't like certain parts as discussed, however... I also see the point in further delay negating any more benefit and actually resulting in loss in some areas.
Vote your conscience.
This contract is a win for management. They put our union thru the ringer to make it seem they're all in.
This contract is nothing but the same with more pay.
For those saying I need to volunteer my time I would never agree to negotiate in such a hostile environment. Yelling and cursing at each other is not how to do business.
11-28-2016, 09:12 AM
#49
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by Code Red
If this went on for another 6 months to a year that would be the companies doing.
This contract is a win for management. They put our union thru the ringer to make it seem they're all in.
This contract is nothing but the same with more pay.
For those saying I need to volunteer my time I would never agree to negotiate in such a hostile environment. Yelling and cursing at each other is not how to do business.
This contract is a win for management. They put our union thru the ringer to make it seem they're all in.
This contract is nothing but the same with more pay.
For those saying I need to volunteer my time I would never agree to negotiate in such a hostile environment. Yelling and cursing at each other is not how to do business.
11-28-2016, 10:37 AM
#50
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by Code Red
The negotioating committee should be embarrassed. This is just a push thru contract because so many have less than 10 years left and don't give a **** about anyone else.
There are no new work rules, no rig, no min day, no new scheduling language, no retirement, healthcare is up, and the list goes on.
Next your gonna say but it's "ACMI" you think our customers or our contractors charge us any less?
We were not "X" legacy carrier, so we can't compare us vs. them. Actually we make larger margins per airframe then they do.
If they're all in and our union is led to believe there's nothing left on the table, then to the picket line we go to get what we deserve. Clearly mgmt is interested in taking it that far.
Multiple legacy, and national carriers have all achieved industry leading contracts and it was actually done professionally.
K4 is actually a great company with great employees. We just need new mgmt.
There are no new work rules, no rig, no min day, no new scheduling language, no retirement, healthcare is up, and the list goes on.
Next your gonna say but it's "ACMI" you think our customers or our contractors charge us any less?
We were not "X" legacy carrier, so we can't compare us vs. them. Actually we make larger margins per airframe then they do.
If they're all in and our union is led to believe there's nothing left on the table, then to the picket line we go to get what we deserve. Clearly mgmt is interested in taking it that far.
Multiple legacy, and national carriers have all achieved industry leading contracts and it was actually done professionally.
K4 is actually a great company with great employees. We just need new mgmt.
But and however, the problem is not the negotiating committee, it was and is the mediator because he was not going to release us to self-help. So knowing this it would be better to turn over this abomination of a contract for the rank and file to vote down.
The only problem with this scenario is the old guys are voting for the contract, and every one of the new guys I have spoken to are also voting for the contract. Without exception they have all said they will only be here until they find a new job and they want the money. So like it or not this is what we are up against.
So I will say it one more time for those that did not understand it the last time. Quit blaming Dan Wells, I believe the reason he did not want to sign off on this contract is because in today’s market it is a joke. If this POS is voted in, there will be no one to blame other than Kalitta pilots.
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