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Old 12-26-2016, 07:06 AM   #21  
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Don't worry about quoting the core values at ABX....we don't have any!
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You obvious don't understand scarcasm or you don't work here.
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767 vs. RJ

Stay with the money and QOL. In 6 months the 767 will just be a plain ol cracker.
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Old 12-26-2016, 08:53 AM   #24  
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I really appreciate the feedback.

Jason605, how are the schedules? There are so many things I have questions about and pros/cons I have to weigh. I certainly don't want to be making multiple job switches, but it seems the consensus is that I should hold out.

My resume is diverse but I am a staunch opponent of job fairs, etc. I totally agree that us high time guys are for some reason "un-hireable". Since when did experience become detrimental to a career? I have an aircraft maintenance background, currently a Director of MX for a 135 operation, have flown corporate 91/135, management, CKA, helicopters.... No idea why I can't get a call. Maybe it's because I refuse to pay $400 to go stand in line with 10,000 other people begging for a job. If that's what it takes, I guess I will be at a "Regional" (since when did 1800 nm legs constitute regional?!?) forever.

Thanks again for all the input, guys.

A little over a year ago, I left ABX after 21 years for a legacy airline. That was a tough decision, but I'm 100% happy I had the opportunity to leave. What really pushed me out the door was the burden of angst that I seemed to carry even when I was at home. Keep in mind that there is a massive divide between the old crews and the new hires at ABX. Most existing crew members there have a couple of decades or more at the company. They remember what it was like to fly for a company that had integrity, goals and pride. The cargo world is devoid of niceties and extras that the pax carriers take for granted... but that's ok. That's part of the sacrifice and buy-in that it takes to do the work. However, for that commitment, there is the expectation that the employer is going to fight like hell to be a great airline and support its people (pilots). Airborne Express was like that.
Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, ABX Air lost it's moral compass. The path that management chose to take after DHL in 2003 has manifested into a toxic culture. The "old heads" will never forget the awful fall from grace that the company electively chose. For you new guys, congratulations for being hired into an international, heavy jet operation, that's valuable. But do yourself a favor and don't let it be your entire life. If you can avoid letting your work world taint your personal life, you'll probably be ok. You don't have the baggage of distrust and heartache that the old crews hold. Just beware, it's invasive, like a cancer. Go fly the big airplanes and see the world, but don't believe in promises and false hope. Maybe you can be the new guard that turns things around.
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I see a lot of hope that seems to stem from people thinking Amazon Prime Air = ABX Air. Giving up 200k a year for that hope is misguided. Abx air is not amazon. Amazon, like DHL, can give that flying to anyone. Heck, even if Amazon gave all Prime Air flying to atsg that is no guarantee that Abx air will get any of it. It could all go to ATI. Glad to be here but I am also not delusional. Just a couple of years ago wasn't ATSG looking for concessions to keep DHL flying? Just my opinion, take it or leave it but being a contractor always comes with the threat of the customer not renewing/cancelling contracts. Good money AND qol is the goal for most, you are there already.
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Keep in mind that there is a massive divide between the old crews and the new hires at ABX. Most existing crew members there have a couple of decades or more at the company. They remember what it was like to fly for a company that had integrity, goals and pride.
That much is readily apparent just in the first three weeks. Even the instructors carry that.

Thanks for the perspective.
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I'll make good money again and becasue of the older pilot group here, upgrade shouldn't be more than 5 years away if not less. If I were to go to a major now at 45, I think I'd be lucky enough to see the left seat for the last few years of my career.
Two of the legacies have short upgrades. I heard delta has a 4 month upgrade. Baring unforseen events, these short upgrades should continue. I dont think your estimate is correct.
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I wish Joe and the boys would read and heed some of these postings. Either they are totally deluded like our recent ex-pres, or they genuinely believe you can polish a t.u.r.d!
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I wish Joe and the boys would read and heed some of these postings. Either they are totally deluded like our recent ex-pres, or they genuinely believe you can polish a t.u.r.d!
As long as their massive pay and bonuses keep showing up, there's no reason or motivation for these people to change anything. Nothing is getting in the way of their 5 vacations a year to Aspen and buying their daughters Mercedes' convertibles for their 16 birthday so why do anything differently? It's like that at every company that's run by self serving scum.
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Mercedes? Really? Now I'm ��
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