Kougarok

Look I live in an ATI serviced Amazon station and it would be convenient for me to ride on ATI to work occasionally to ILN. If I can't get a ride they can't get a ride simple as that.

motorclutch

Gotcha K. The MEC at ATI according to JV is the stumbling block in this issue. Without leadership there WILL be ramifications. Unfortunately the rank and file members at ATI are getting ready to be screwed nationwide.

airbus300

I think the problem was the posting of:
ATI pilots fortunately for you, you're home based. I guarantee you will never ride in an ABX jumpseat again.
Coupled that with the jumpseat not being reciprocal in the months prior to that either has caused problems. I would really be surprised if an ATI pilot would actually rely on a booked ABX jumpseat.

motorclutch

What about American,southwest,virgin,all IBT? Plus commitments from all pilot groups who honor captains authority and don't hide behind their management and MEC ? It's going to become very awkward for ATI pilots. I suggest the rank and file stand up and be counted on this issue.

Packrat

None of them are IBT. AA - APA. SWA - SWAPA. VX - ALPA. Nice try, though.

motorclutch

I'm sorry I confused you. Let me state it clearly. The following pilot groups are being contacted to revoke your reciprocal agreements due to your MEC's position on jumpseats.
All IBT carriers, southwest,American, UPS,Virgin, all nationwide Alpa carriers.
Was that better. ATI might be able to ride with NAC or Florida West.
Nicer try huh?

Almost There

Agree with you Kougarok. I would feel the same way.

b707guy

First of all, I guarantee that the ATI MEC is not the roadblock. The ATI MEC in no way overrides the authority of the Captain.

Secondly, anyone remember PSA 1771? How about FedEx 705? If not, feel free to look them up. But in the context of that history, what manager in their right mind would accept that risk given the things we've all endured here? Especially in this day and age. Running an airplane is one thing. Running a company is another.

Third, and I could be far off base here, but does 1224 or who ever is pushing for this universal ban of ATI from jumpseats really feel this is truly justified or even called for? I guess so. But ALPA National sure doesn't, as evidenced by the call they made regarding the legality of the strike, and how ATI was to conduct itself, from day 1. So there might be a few friends of friends at various airlines who are sympathetic to the cause, but I just can't get past that perhaps a few adult beverages are needed to bring the childishness of this so-called movement to light.

This ATI pilot would have no problem welcoming a properly vetted ABX pilot on board for a ride. Provided, that is, that there is some measure of decorum and professional demeanor. But I'm guessing anyone who would have trouble masking a lesser attitude wouldn't be looking for a ride from us anyway. And that's fine, too. The real problem is that one guy, with bad intent, who CAN mask such attitudes, yet wants a ride to get home from work to to "go fishing". Remember that the ATI pilots didn't start this.

motorclutch

My only comment : FAR 121.547
Also since you are ALPA please refer to No Pilot Left Behind as written by ALPA International Jumpseat committee.
I'll buy the first round.
Lastly: your VP , JV threw your MEC under the bus as stated by our VP and MEC. Call JV and ask him if he said this.

b707guy

So to make sure I've got this right, you're saying he said she said. Got it. I wasn't in the room, and I'm guessing you weren't in the room either. I'd prefer that we let our reps resolve the issue. I'm quite familiar with NPLB, and hope we can all get back to that. At least we don't have to deal with gate agents, for the most part!