ATI Jumpseat - Denied
01-20-2017, 05:03 PM
#22
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Its all F'ing stupid
I ride ABX back in forth and I have ABX guys in my city that ride us. Guy I see the most ex navy initials TD.. He's welcome on whatever plane car house etc I occupy. Actually that goes for about everyone over there. Admittedly ya'll are a bit more hardcore union wise than we are. All BS aside just pilots trying to get home to see loved ones or going to work to support them. Im not standing in the way of that.
I know the craziest MOFO's at ABX and I'm not worried about them going all FedEx on me.. I know what management/whoever has said and we are above that kinda BS.
I ride ABX back in forth and I have ABX guys in my city that ride us. Guy I see the most ex navy initials TD.. He's welcome on whatever plane car house etc I occupy. Actually that goes for about everyone over there. Admittedly ya'll are a bit more hardcore union wise than we are. All BS aside just pilots trying to get home to see loved ones or going to work to support them. Im not standing in the way of that.
I know the craziest MOFO's at ABX and I'm not worried about them going all FedEx on me.. I know what management/whoever has said and we are above that kinda BS.
01-20-2017, 05:48 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by b707guy
First of all, I guarantee that the ATI MEC is not the roadblock. The ATI MEC in no way overrides the authority of the Captain.
Secondly, anyone remember PSA 1771? How about FedEx 705? If not, feel free to look them up. But in the context of that history, what manager in their right mind would accept that risk given the things we've all endured here? Especially in this day and age. Running an airplane is one thing. Running a company is another.
Third, and I could be far off base here, but does 1224 or who ever is pushing for this universal ban of ATI from jumpseats really feel this is truly justified or even called for? I guess so. But ALPA National sure doesn't, as evidenced by the call they made regarding the legality of the strike, and how ATI was to conduct itself, from day 1. So there might be a few friends of friends at various airlines who are sympathetic to the cause, but I just can't get past that perhaps a few adult beverages are needed to bring the childishness of this so-called movement to light.
This ATI pilot would have no problem welcoming a properly vetted ABX pilot on board for a ride. Provided, that is, that there is some measure of decorum and professional demeanor. But I'm guessing anyone who would have trouble masking a lesser attitude wouldn't be looking for a ride from us anyway. And that's fine, too. The real problem is that one guy, with bad intent, who CAN mask such attitudes, yet wants a ride to get home from work to to "go fishing". Remember that the ATI pilots didn't start this.
Secondly, anyone remember PSA 1771? How about FedEx 705? If not, feel free to look them up. But in the context of that history, what manager in their right mind would accept that risk given the things we've all endured here? Especially in this day and age. Running an airplane is one thing. Running a company is another.
Third, and I could be far off base here, but does 1224 or who ever is pushing for this universal ban of ATI from jumpseats really feel this is truly justified or even called for? I guess so. But ALPA National sure doesn't, as evidenced by the call they made regarding the legality of the strike, and how ATI was to conduct itself, from day 1. So there might be a few friends of friends at various airlines who are sympathetic to the cause, but I just can't get past that perhaps a few adult beverages are needed to bring the childishness of this so-called movement to light.
This ATI pilot would have no problem welcoming a properly vetted ABX pilot on board for a ride. Provided, that is, that there is some measure of decorum and professional demeanor. But I'm guessing anyone who would have trouble masking a lesser attitude wouldn't be looking for a ride from us anyway. And that's fine, too. The real problem is that one guy, with bad intent, who CAN mask such attitudes, yet wants a ride to get home from work to to "go fishing". Remember that the ATI pilots didn't start this.
A. No one has said the MEC is the roadblock, they are at fault for not fixing the issue. (I'll admit there is a rumor they are part of the problem though).
B. Way before vetting of crewmembers, searches, patdowns, wanding, and CASS. Besides, if you really think someone is going to be a problem...don't take them! I don't care what airline they are with.
C. 1224 isn't pushing for a universal ban of ATI. We've been waiting for almost 2 months for you guys to let us back on. The result of ATI not letting us (or perhaps other carriers they have agreements with) on...well, they remain to be seen; it may very well end up with bans, etc.
For CTRCommand; I'm glad to hear that you ride us and us on you. I believe you are speaking more of past times since ABX can not even make a reservation/listing thru ATI Ops/Sched's. Right now we are turned down before even making an appearance at the flight desk and I'm certain you know that.
01-20-2017, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by b707guy
Secondly, anyone remember PSA 1771? How about FedEx 705? If not, feel free to look them up. But in the context of that history, what manager in their right mind would accept that risk given the things we've all endured here? Especially in this day and age. Running an airplane is one thing. Running a company is another.
What's your point?
Are you saying you don't want to jumpseat on FedEx?
`Cuz you don't have to ...
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01-21-2017, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by b707guy
So to make sure I've got this right, you're saying he said she said. Got it. 
I wasn't in the room, and I'm guessing you weren't in the room either. I'd prefer that we let our reps resolve the issue. I'm quite familiar with NPLB, and hope we can all get back to that. At least we don't have to deal with gate agents, for the most part!
I wasn't in the room, and I'm guessing you weren't in the room either. I'd prefer that we let our reps resolve the issue. I'm quite familiar with NPLB, and hope we can all get back to that. At least we don't have to deal with gate agents, for the most part!Some one needs to "nut up" call JV on this. Are you guys really this fearful of the guy. Just ask him, at least we can narrow the liars down to: your VP, our VP, or your MEC. We are having a phone conference on this issue Monday with Z. Hopefully things have moved towards the positive. More to come.
01-21-2017, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by abxflyr
I have to tell ya Dave you are so far down the wrong path on this one...
A. No one has said the MEC is the roadblock, they are at fault for not fixing the issue. (I'll admit there is a rumor they are part of the problem though).
B. Way before vetting of crewmembers, searches, patdowns, wanding, and CASS. Besides, if you really think someone is going to be a problem...don't take them! I don't care what airline they are with.
C. 1224 isn't pushing for a universal ban of ATI. We've been waiting for almost 2 months for you guys to let us back on. The result of ATI not letting us (or perhaps other carriers they have agreements with) on...well, they remain to be seen; it may very well end up with bans, etc.
For CTRCommand; I'm glad to hear that you ride us and us on you. I believe you are speaking more of past times since ABX can not even make a reservation/listing thru ATI Ops/Sched's. Right now we are turned down before even making an appearance at the flight desk and I'm certain you know that.
A. No one has said the MEC is the roadblock, they are at fault for not fixing the issue. (I'll admit there is a rumor they are part of the problem though).
B. Way before vetting of crewmembers, searches, patdowns, wanding, and CASS. Besides, if you really think someone is going to be a problem...don't take them! I don't care what airline they are with.
C. 1224 isn't pushing for a universal ban of ATI. We've been waiting for almost 2 months for you guys to let us back on. The result of ATI not letting us (or perhaps other carriers they have agreements with) on...well, they remain to be seen; it may very well end up with bans, etc.
For CTRCommand; I'm glad to hear that you ride us and us on you. I believe you are speaking more of past times since ABX can not even make a reservation/listing thru ATI Ops/Sched's. Right now we are turned down before even making an appearance at the flight desk and I'm certain you know that.
B: Also agreed, but every defense has a weakness. If someone wants to get around those defenses, especially someone on the "inside", they'll find a way. Do I feel that it's necessary here? No. But someone, could have been a crew member, could have been a mechanic that was on the receiving end of a conversation, could have been someone in Ops, apparently brought up the risk. When a risk is identified (justified or not) and dismissed, and then something happens related to that risk, all of the 20/20 hindsight investigators come out of the woodworks and conclude that the dismisser should have seen it coming. Again, I'm not defending the action, I'm just conceding that I understand the position taken by management.
C. Post 16 above seems to indicate that all IBT carriers, all ALPA carriers, SWA, AA, Virgin, and UPS are being contacted to ban us. Sorry if I overreacted in thinking that was universal. I was so far off base.
As I said, I hope this is resolved. UNIVERSALLY, and in short order.
01-21-2017, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by abxflyr
For CTRCommand; I'm glad to hear that you ride us and us on you. I believe you are speaking more of past times since ABX can not even make a reservation/listing thru ATI Ops/Sched's. Right now we are turned down before even making an appearance at the flight desk and I'm certain you know that.
Neah I have been off for a while.
Last time I jump seated on you guys it's because I banged in sick in ILN. It was during the heat of all this BULL SH. IT
It was cold and I was running a fever, so bad in fact I was sweating my *** off. Your ops gave me BS trying to list I took cass paperwork to plane and your capt took a look at me and said don't worry your going home.
You also have a capt who lives in TN that saved Christmas for me, literally. I and LOTS OF others owe him more than words can explain.
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01-21-2017, 02:01 PM
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Look guys if you wanna have some fun, tell little hitler and his penis that they are out of line on this jumpseat issue. Hell he viotated CASS by fraudently listing Scott T as a flying crew member. The Feds were informed but apparently they are as nutless as others.
01-21-2017, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by motorclutch
The Feds were informed but apparently they are as nutless as others.
I have a difficult time believing the stories. If its a fact, that should make a fed perk up.
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