ATI Jumpseat - Denied
01-23-2017, 02:55 PM
#41
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 38
Originally Posted by l8fr82hub
I am watching, and listening for any change of tone from the ABX side of the house. I've never said or done anything hostile to any ABX pilot and I'm not trying to start any s#%t, just not gonna tolerate it being brought into my cockpit. This stuff has been going on since the day ATSG bought us and I'm fed up with it!
You'll be "watching, and listening for any change of tone from the ABX side of the house"? What...from our jerks? Because if that's the case, you're going to wait a long time, because jerks will be jerks, regardless of which company they're working for.
Now, if you're "watching, and listening" for a change of tone from our 'rank and file' majority, you'll also be waiting a long time for a positive change, because most of us, already understand that the majority of the 'rank and file' ATI guys are good people, and hold no malice toward you. We also understand that ATI has their jerks, but because we know the majority of you guys are decent, we try to ignore the actions of your jerks, and I'd ask that you do the same and ignore our jerks.
Your stand that you'll keep us off of your jumpseat (and I agree with abxflyer, it's your right) until we treat you better, reminds me of this old joke:
NOTE FROM MANAGEMENT:
The beatings will continue, until morale improves.
Lol
01-23-2017, 05:02 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 3
Time for a little trip down memory lane. ATI Pilots have never been on the offensive toward ABX crews or any one else for that matter. The same cannot be said for ABX crews and their Teamsters representation. Years ago ATI was originally represented by the Teamsters Local 747 out of Houston Texas. After becoming part of the ATSG family, our union president was accused by the Teamsters National Airline Division of professional misconduct. Subsequently, our local was stormed without prior notification and our President was removed from the property. He was immediately replaced by a sitting member of local 1224. We were currently in the middle of contract negotiations and, as allowed by Teamsters bylaws, were dis-invited to our own negotiation sessions. 1224 started negotiating for us without our input. This is why we are represented by ALPA at this time. Our EXCO and 100% of our crew members voted to decertify the Teamsters and we subsequently expedited our acceptance into ALPA. You want to talk about Teamsters pride. We were betrayed by our own Union. This Jumpseat war started over a decade ago. ATI pilots are tired of the constant threat to our jobs by 1224. The threat of filing for single carrier status has been on the table for years. It will fail. Just as taking over our Local 747 failed years ago. Ironically, had ABX simply left ATI alone both airlines could have prospered. Aircraft for Amazon were planned to be split between both Airlines. however, since the illegal strike by ABX pilots, which only served to hurt the customer on black Friday and the Xmas peak transpired it looks like ATI will get at least 16 out of the original twenty. Interesting, considering that 1224 recently proposed to ATSG management that ABX get all Amazon flying, all DHL flying and that ATI would be "allowed" to continue our Combi flying for the military. No way in hell will an ABX pilot ever sit on my jumpseat. As far as reciprocity goes, guess I will just have to get the company to buy me a ticket. Perhaps ABX crews should be less critical of our MEC and take a hard look at the actions of their exco.
01-23-2017, 06:08 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 85
Hmmm.... no smart@ $$ blowhard retort from Motorclutch-
that must mean there's some element of truth to this
that must mean there's some element of truth to this
Originally Posted by DC81
Time for a little trip down memory lane. ATI Pilots have never been on the offensive toward ABX crews or any one else for that matter. The same cannot be said for ABX crews and their Teamsters representation. Years ago ATI was originally represented by the Teamsters Local 747 out of Houston Texas. After becoming part of the ATSG family, our union president was accused by the Teamsters National Airline Division of professional misconduct. Subsequently, our local was stormed without prior notification and our President was removed from the property. He was immediately replaced by a sitting member of local 1224. We were currently in the middle of contract negotiations and, as allowed by Teamsters bylaws, were dis-invited to our own negotiation sessions. 1224 started negotiating for us without our input. This is why we are represented by ALPA at this time. Our EXCO and 100% of our crew members voted to decertify the Teamsters and we subsequently expedited our acceptance into ALPA. You want to talk about Teamsters pride. We were betrayed by our own Union. This Jumpseat war started over a decade ago. ATI pilots are tired of the constant threat to our jobs by 1224. The threat of filing for single carrier status has been on the table for years. It will fail. Just as taking over our Local 747 failed years ago. Ironically, had ABX simply left ATI alone both airlines could have prospered. Aircraft for Amazon were planned to be split between both Airlines. however, since the illegal strike by ABX pilots, which only served to hurt the customer on black Friday and the Xmas peak transpired it looks like ATI will get at least 16 out of the original twenty. Interesting, considering that 1224 recently proposed to ATSG management that ABX get all Amazon flying, all DHL flying and that ATI would be "allowed" to continue our Combi flying for the military. No way in hell will an ABX pilot ever sit on my jumpseat. As far as reciprocity goes, guess I will just have to get the company to buy me a ticket. Perhaps ABX crews should be less critical of our MEC and take a hard look at the actions of their exco.
01-23-2017, 06:27 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 3
It's all true and easy to verify. Had to join this Forum. Not to incite, but to defend the fact that ATI crew members have always been on the receiving end of ABX attacks. I am personally glad that they initiated their illegal strike which was effectively against Amazon and DHL. Ironically, every ABX pilot I have talked to in recent months bragged about how much money they were making and didn't complain about forced overtime. Same bunch that worked overtime while they had furloughed crew members about to drop off their senority list. Priceless. No more nuclear options after their single carrier suit fails. They should have just left us alone instead of trying to shut us down. "Hey Capt., we are trying to shut down ATI through scope negotiations and ultimately through single carrier representation because we are threatened by you and we hate you. Can I jump seat on your plane to ILN?"
01-23-2017, 10:54 PM
#46
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Posts: 896
I'm up now. You left out the part about an indictment for imbezzlement cupcake. That got your president removed. You also failed to address an attempt to "lap dog" JH with an undercutting contract in an attempt to take DHL flying from ABX. Regardless, I'd like to thank your MEC for taking the lead on this jumpseat issue. Hopefully you guys can hang out in the DHL facility so I can buy you guys some coffee.
How did I do?
How did I do?
01-24-2017, 03:09 AM
#47
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Apelo@290
Posts: 345
Originally Posted by abxflyr
I am glad to see the restriction of ABX pilots has been terminated. The j/s is not the place to determine the validity of arguments and positons, regardless of mutual or dissenting opinions. Most already know the best approach is to enjoy the view of someone else's office and be thankful for the ride.
l8fr8 has the option to deny access to anyone period end. You know the saying....'hate the game, not the player'. I don't think Bo would deny someone unless they had personally harmed him (or others in their group) wrongfully. That would be an individual issue and not a wholesale offering of the group. Regardless it's his choice and bumping just increases the space between groups.
If you have a problem with access at *any* airline, you should bring the situation up to the rep's at your Union. Let them handle it internally with the opposing union representative.
l8fr8 has the option to deny access to anyone period end. You know the saying....'hate the game, not the player'. I don't think Bo would deny someone unless they had personally harmed him (or others in their group) wrongfully. That would be an individual issue and not a wholesale offering of the group. Regardless it's his choice and bumping just increases the space between groups.
If you have a problem with access at *any* airline, you should bring the situation up to the rep's at your Union. Let them handle it internally with the opposing union representative.
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