Originally Posted by CandlerKid

You are wrong on that. Almost everybody is leaving because of how Atlas treats them. When 15+ year check airmen are leaving at 59 it's not because of seniority or future earnings, it's because they are sick of the constant battle and way we are treated. I have 3 buddies leaving in the next month. All captains. They are leaving with all their experience and being replaced with an R-ATP candidate. Atlas thinks that's an ok trade and that is the problem. They haven't shown they value the pilots at all.

Originally Posted by DegeReguard

You have alot of valid points. I should not have gotten caught up in this at all.

No, i do not require validation from anyone on here. No, nobody is causeing me any real harm.
No, to my knowledge nobody is effecting my career.

My responses and action were juvenile and immature.

I will drop off this thread for a while but before I go:

Once again I would like to apologize for my blanket statements. I do not believe that I am better than anyone else, or that my position or career is at this or any point in my life better than anyone elses, we all have our own paths, and as others on here have pointed out, it is impossible to judge untill retirement day how things have really gone.

I got excessively defensive about a sensative subject for me and made a few posts full of hubis that were a wide angle attack on a collective group of people, all of which were not eveb part of the conversation. That was uncalled for. Again I do not think myself better than anyone, and those posts were not representative of my personality as a whole what so ever.

I am Sincrerely sorry to any whom I have offended, and for demonstrating a poor level of maturity in general.

I hope that I am not judged on the last few stupid posts I have made, and that in time, we can all just carry on.

No more bickering and egos. Just peace and information. Which is what this forum is here for.

Originally Posted by DegeReguard

Why does everyone assume becauze i do not presently have a degree I am not going to get one?

Never did I say that. Not once. The reason I do not presently have a degree is because a degree takes time to aquire. Years. Time I am currently putting in. I will have a degree in two years. But, why would I not apply to the places that it is well known that you can get hired at without one while im working on it. Simple fact is, unless there are huge changes in Atlas's contract, two years from now when my degree is completed, i wont be trying so hard to go to atlas anymore. I wont be trying to go to Atlas at all actually. Ill be trying to go to a mainline carrier.

Atlas can hire me now, while I am more qualified by a landslide than their RATP candidates with 1500 hours and I will stick with them for years because i am young and the lifestyle and schedules are appealing to me. Ill still get the degree done in time.

Or they can choose not to for another two years while my expirence and qualifications continue to grow and my degree is aquired and then, after four years of continuous apply at atlas with no positive results, ill just say screw em then and go find something better.

I do not require a lecture on what doors a degree could open for me. I know this.

Anyone with 4000 total time, 1100 PIC, military service, and 4 year degree has no businnes applying at atlas currently. This is not arrogance. This is the state of the industry. It will change, it always does. But right now thats just the way things are.

Also life is not so bad where I currently work that Atlas choosing not to hire me for another two years would hurt me in any way. Life is pretty good. Training pay and First year pay at atlas would be a struggle. It would take sacrifice. My QOL would go down initially just because of the income drop.

I will make the sacrifice for a better future, right now, because I do not have qualifications of the caliber that kalitta wants, or that American, Delta, UPS, Fed Ex, etc want.

Atlas may want those same qualifications but they can not get them, nor with their training and first year pay should they be able to.

Two years from now when I have my dregree if Atlas's new contract has raised the bar, and I am still not working for them, then we will see if I am still busting my tail trying to find a way to get on there or if Ill instead go busting my tail to get on somewhere else. If they dont, I wont be.

But two years from now If I am working at atlas, I wont be in a hurry to leave. Even under their current contract.

I have 38 years in this industry still to go. Im not always going to be a degreeless regional captain.

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER

What an idiotic thing to say. An unprofessional attitude like this is what contributes to accidents and popular ignorance about aviation.

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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp

If you live in base there should be no imputed income. Company provided travel to your base is seen as a benefit so it is taxed as income. If you are already there the company has not provided you anything to be taxed. The lines will always start and end in your base. Whether the first leg is operating or deadhead is up to planning and scheduling. If it's a DH the company will buy you a ticket to the wherever the operating leg starts.

Originally Posted by Twin Wasp

the IRS withholding is taken out of your pay and then the cost of your gateway travel is taken out of your pay.