Atlas Air pilot negotiations
12-04-2017, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kolt66
I would assume there's a huge migration of pilots from Atlas to the legacy carriers right now. Is that true? I know there are some serious issues going on between management and the pilots but doesn't Atlas need a new contract to stop the hemorrhaging and keep themselves in business?
Or is it not that serious for them and they think they can survive just fine with the current contract?
Or is it not that serious for them and they think they can survive just fine with the current contract?
Meanwhile the operation is a disaster. Flights run not just minutes or hours late. But days. Customers not happy. They will lose business if they haven't already. Perhaps that is part of the plan. Lose business, hit bottom, need to restructure. Contract will be another bankruptcy contract. Why come just to potentially get furloughed???
02-07-2018, 06:35 PM
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With the recent survey sent out by the union, how did everyone answer?
My personal thoughts:
On par with AA, DL, UA etc compensation. Top of the scale within a few bucks.
Higher monthly guarantee closer to 75 hours, that is pay protected.
16% DC into 401k
Lower insurance premiums.
Minimum day credit of 5 hours.
Line holder days off 15 per 30 day bid period.
Reserve days off 14 per 30 day bid period.
Etc.
Possibly just my wishful thinking. Although if you don’t ask for much, you are already setting the bar low.
Aim high, and even if they don’t give you everything, it is still vast improvement/closer to what you really want.
My personal thoughts:
On par with AA, DL, UA etc compensation. Top of the scale within a few bucks.
Higher monthly guarantee closer to 75 hours, that is pay protected.
16% DC into 401k
Lower insurance premiums.
Minimum day credit of 5 hours.
Line holder days off 15 per 30 day bid period.
Reserve days off 14 per 30 day bid period.
Etc.
Possibly just my wishful thinking. Although if you don’t ask for much, you are already setting the bar low.
Aim high, and even if they don’t give you everything, it is still vast improvement/closer to what you really want.
02-07-2018, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
With the recent survey sent out by the union, how did everyone answer?
My personal thoughts:
On par with AA, DL, UA etc compensation. Top of the scale within a few bucks.
Higher monthly guarantee closer to 75 hours, that is pay protected.
16% DC into 401k
Lower insurance premiums.
Minimum day credit of 5 hours.
Line holder days off 15 per 30 day bid period.
Reserve days off 14 per 30 day bid period.
Etc.
Possibly just my wishful thinking. Although if you don’t ask for much, you are already setting the bar low.
Aim high, and even if they don’t give you everything, it is still vast improvement/closer to what you really want.
My personal thoughts:
On par with AA, DL, UA etc compensation. Top of the scale within a few bucks.
Higher monthly guarantee closer to 75 hours, that is pay protected.
16% DC into 401k
Lower insurance premiums.
Minimum day credit of 5 hours.
Line holder days off 15 per 30 day bid period.
Reserve days off 14 per 30 day bid period.
Etc.
Possibly just my wishful thinking. Although if you don’t ask for much, you are already setting the bar low.
Aim high, and even if they don’t give you everything, it is still vast improvement/closer to what you really want.
02-07-2018, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Droopy
I don't negotiate in public nor do I tell the company on a public website what they can get me to accept. My inputs on the survey are private for the negotiating committee.
02-07-2018, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
What if they see on a public forum that people are only willing to accept industry standard to industry leading?
02-07-2018, 11:40 PM
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I think the hole in that logic is that some of your fellow pilots are not fully educated on what other companies offer. How do you suggest remedying that?
In a discussion with my peers when I was explaining that the legacies and SWA offer 15-16% directly into the 401k, they asked matching, I had to tell them, NO, it is put in by the company before any employee contributions.
So I think we need to do a better job explaining what peers at the legacies, FedEx and UPS actually get compensated. The graphics provided were good, but it would be better if everyone understood them.
In a discussion with my peers when I was explaining that the legacies and SWA offer 15-16% directly into the 401k, they asked matching, I had to tell them, NO, it is put in by the company before any employee contributions.
So I think we need to do a better job explaining what peers at the legacies, FedEx and UPS actually get compensated. The graphics provided were good, but it would be better if everyone understood them.
02-08-2018, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
The only input the company should have is from the NC. Any information they can glean from message boards can be used against us during the process of negotiations. Even little things that seem completely innocent or favorable for our negotiators could be detrimental. I know it doesn't sound like that makes any sense, but our negotiation/survey talks should stay off line and, preferably, face to face with fellow pilots.
02-08-2018, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
If Bill Flynn has taken a peak at Giant Comms then I'm pretty sure we're all screwed then... I mean... All we need is 1 to 1 Dead Head and that fixes everything! We might as well just give up.
02-08-2018, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
I think the hole in that logic is that some of your fellow pilots are not fully educated on what other companies offer. How do you suggest remedying that?
Also, the union contract comparison guide retirement chart is pretty clear about Atlas being one of the only airlines that requires matching contributions ...
02-08-2018, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Groundpointfife
People are also voting with their feet. Having captain upgrades quit in the middle of class is quite a statement. I'd consider that a vote of no confidence.
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