Swift Air - The truth
05-30-2019, 10:27 AM
#403
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Gear Handle supervisor
Posts: 1,035
Originally Posted by randomroute
Nah Mexi, we hired street captains. In the interview I was told by the CP that I couldnt expect to be a street captain because they werent offering it. When I showed upto class, there were guys with 4 stripes waiting for them on the table. They were and still are getting captain pay since that first day in training and we knew our sim pairings that same day.
The way they were selected was by friends who knew friends. And you said it perfectly, THEY CANT AFFORD TO UPGRADE F/O’s off the line. To come to Swift and make a sacrifice is the dumbest thing you can do unless you are 50+ and have multiple failures and no prospect of flying at any other airline. DO NOT GIVE UP A CAPTAIN SEAT ANYWHERE ELSE (LIKE SO MANY OF US HAVE AND CURRENTLY REGRET) JUST TO COME HERE. YOU WILL BE BYPASSED FOR UPGRADE JUST SO SOME NEW GUY WITHOUT A 737 TYPE AND LESS SENIORITY CAN TELL YOU HOW TO FLY A PLANE THEY’VE NEVER FLOWN!
I’ve had guys who are flying this plane as their FIRST jet try to tell me where to place my hands and how to fly. Im on my third jet type rating. They are on their first jet with less time in type -_-
THE 737NG’s ARE GOING TO EUROPE AND EUROPE IS NOW A CONTRACT PILOT BASE. I HAVE NO PROSPECT OF RETURNING BECAUSE CONTRACT PILOTS HAVE REPLACED MY POSITION.
THEY WILL GET PAID MORE THAN ME AND WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER QOL, FLYING THE BEST OUR FLEET HAS TO OFFER.
DO
NOT
COME
HERE
The way they were selected was by friends who knew friends. And you said it perfectly, THEY CANT AFFORD TO UPGRADE F/O’s off the line. To come to Swift and make a sacrifice is the dumbest thing you can do unless you are 50+ and have multiple failures and no prospect of flying at any other airline. DO NOT GIVE UP A CAPTAIN SEAT ANYWHERE ELSE (LIKE SO MANY OF US HAVE AND CURRENTLY REGRET) JUST TO COME HERE. YOU WILL BE BYPASSED FOR UPGRADE JUST SO SOME NEW GUY WITHOUT A 737 TYPE AND LESS SENIORITY CAN TELL YOU HOW TO FLY A PLANE THEY’VE NEVER FLOWN!
I’ve had guys who are flying this plane as their FIRST jet try to tell me where to place my hands and how to fly. Im on my third jet type rating. They are on their first jet with less time in type -_-
THE 737NG’s ARE GOING TO EUROPE AND EUROPE IS NOW A CONTRACT PILOT BASE. I HAVE NO PROSPECT OF RETURNING BECAUSE CONTRACT PILOTS HAVE REPLACED MY POSITION.
THEY WILL GET PAID MORE THAN ME AND WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER QOL, FLYING THE BEST OUR FLEET HAS TO OFFER.
DO
NOT
COME
HERE
Well they’re short FOs in Europe so not sure who took your job. They sent an email out asking for FOs in Europe.
Your class I have no idea as I was not here for that. One of them didn’t make it anyway for CA anyway, not sure if they gave him another shot. None of the guys that got upgraded in class got CA pay right away. Until they got their fed ride it didn’t become effective and I know this because I did some of their OEs. Your CA pay doesn’t come in effect till your fed ride/line check.
The only street CAs in 2019 have been the rehire pilots who were furloughed which will be 2 as of today. So they have rights anyway.
They’re still looking for people for Europe so no one has been replaced. They’re just not going to pay the extra cash unless you stay the 30 days with 8 off. I got to go next month to do OEs. Even with the contract people hired that does not fulfill the crew requirement for Europe. June there will be 5 NGs there.
Not sure what 50 plus failure guys you mean, if they didn’t tell us about it we sure find out later and they get let go for lying. We have had that happen multiple times. That’s why we do face to face now. Guys who have washed out of upgrade were returned to the right seat and eventually will be given another chance when they’re released from the watch program. No one is perfect.
My word of advice is to take it down a notch. I like you and I know you’re a sharp guy and you have good experience from 121/135, but you need to take a step back and take a breath. Getting all ****ed off and bent out of shape is just going to make it miserable for you. I’ve been here a long time and we have all been screwed one way or another by the system, the more you rant and rave will get you pegged for a pilot that if he’s acting negatively this was as an FO how will he be as a captain? You have to be political and diplomatic here, if you sh@t over everything here you’re only making it harder on yourself. Because then my recommendations for you will just get overlooked and not be taken seriously. A level of humility goes a long way. Trust me there’s days I want to Choke people out but there’s way and then there’s ways.
It’s like quick sand the more you fidget the more you sink. I’m trying to help you, but you’re making it hard for anyone to help you.
05-30-2019, 02:29 PM
#404
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 1
Real expectations
Can any fos explain what a new hire would expect? Is it all Miami 4 on 4 off? What would a home basing schedule look like? Trying to decide if it is worth leaving a regional due to lack of upgrades. Is this a commuter friendly airline if home basing goes senior?
05-31-2019, 09:32 PM
#405
Tin Can Time
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Entitled Newb
Posts: 168
Originally Posted by vor2vor
Can any fos explain what a new hire would expect? Is it all Miami 4 on 4 off? What would a home basing schedule look like? Trying to decide if it is worth leaving a regional due to lack of upgrades. Is this a commuter friendly airline if home basing goes senior?
05-31-2019, 10:53 PM
#406
All is fine at .79
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,082
My word of advice is to take it down a notch. I like you and I know you’re a sharp guy and you have good experience from 121/135, but you need to take a step back and take a breath. Getting all ****ed off and bent out of shape is just going to make it miserable for you. I’ve been here a long time and we have all been screwed one way or another by the system, the more you rant and rave will get you pegged for a pilot that if he’s acting negatively this was as an FO how will he be as a captain? You have to be political and diplomatic here, if you sh@t over everything here you’re only making it harder on yourself. Because then my recommendations for you will just get overlooked and not be taken seriously. A level of humility goes a long way. Trust me there’s days I want to Choke people out but there’s way and then there’s ways.
06-01-2019, 07:53 PM
#408
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Gear Handle supervisor
Posts: 1,035
Originally Posted by vor2vor
Can any fos explain what a new hire would expect? Is it all Miami 4 on 4 off? What would a home basing schedule look like? Trying to decide if it is worth leaving a regional due to lack of upgrades. Is this a commuter friendly airline if home basing goes senior?
For the most part they’ve tried to keep MIA 40on 40off, obviously a few variations here and there month to month. We do not have a commuter policy, so if you do get based in an outstation you have to get yourself to work. It has happened where they have bought guys tickets to work if they were desperate, however if it happens too often you’re probably going to get a call.
Home basing and MIA seems to be the hand in hand seniority wise lately for new hires. IWA definitely remains senior. Home based you don’t worry about commuting, obviously you must live in the lower 48.
06-02-2019, 01:19 AM
#409
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by symbian simian
Because they can do their job"better" than the other players. As airline pilots, we are required to do our job exactly the same way every time according to SOP, so how do you promote people on anything else than seniority. I totally get corporate being different because customer service/ going the extra mile (did 8 years) and before that was upgraded way ahead of seniority at a merit based ACMI, because I worked my ass off. Having anything but seniority is a can of worms because people will go the extra mile to get the job done.
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